The Guestbook entries continue! Below are Rightgrrl's guestbook entries from December 2001
Thanks Joy. Things were getting far too serious here. Now back to the cornfield . . .
My last few thoughts for 2001:
* I am a HAL 9000 unit - whoops, wrong 2001.
* Go Clinton! And I mean it! Go back to the relative obscurity of Arkansas!
* Will those who consider themselves "tolerant" ever have tolerance for us right-wingers? And if not, why do they call themselves "tolerant"?
* I'm pro-choice: I like choosing between a half-pound burger and a pepperoni pizza, because I win either way. Having the choice to end a life because that life will inconvenience me should not be an option.
* Rock on, Carolyn.
As I've said so many times before ---
Groups such as NOW (and all those in the "feminist" movement) are always shouting "Girl Power!" and such, and saying women are these empowered beings who are strong and blah blah blah. I don't disagree with that.
However....
The minute a woman kills her born children or decides she can't handle being pregnant, it's because she's "a victim," "desperate," blah freakin blah!
What happened to that empowerment????? Oh yea....by feminist logic, MEN took it away! But, I thought we women were supposed to be so empowered. But, I'm a victim....But I am woman hear me roar....But I'm a victim....BLAH FREAKIN BLAH!!!!
Once again, as with so many of the arguments NOW and other libs make ---
no logic, no sense, double standards.
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Monday, December 31, 2001 at 12:59:54 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
I disagree, Vlad. The internal policies of Nazi Germany were of no interest to the US before Dec. 7? I don't think so!
"To think China will ever become a shining example of a free democratic-pluralistic-capitalistic nation overnight is a pipe dream, and I think we should abandon the thought. I totally agree with the idea of coddling them along, reminding them we don't favor their human rights record, and they can only improve with time. After all, China is astonishingly much more free than it's ever been right now and it's only improving."
But I thought that was what were doing, ST, by linking MFN status with improving human rights in China. After all, China is, "astonishingly much more free than it's ever been right now" UNLESS you happen to be female, or an unborn infant, or already have one child....
Matt
USA - Monday, December 31, 2001 at 11:44:15 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
The show is about "mothers consider abandoning their babies".
I have since concluded, in politically incorrect fashion due to misplaced charges of antiwomanism, that abortion is mostly in vogue and is legal BECAUSE women are the aborters. That is, society doesnt hold women to the SAME or equivalent standards it holds MEN to. On this, Femicide is 1000% correct. Its proven over and over again, and I wouldnt be shocked to see the Andrea Yates murder case trotted out in sympathetic tones, where Ricki and the audience "wonders why these women are so desparate, so trapped, theyd think baby dumping was their only option!" Painting the abortion issue, childcare as "womens issues" and burdons that men dont share which isnt even true, feeling so sorry for her, not realzing if a MAN gets on that stage and says the same things, the response isnt sympathy, but WONDER why "he isnt man enough" to "take responsibility" and cries of making sure the proper child support authorities are called to MAKE him pay or be jailed! The woman will be given abortion OR (post birth) adoption referrals! The implicit assumption is motherhood, (esp. AS COMPARED to fatherhood,) is so stressful, so hard on women, they just cant help dumping a baby in a trash can and its not their fault! Really, in both abortion AND post birth options in each and every direction you could make a case for the GUY having it tougher when you analyze it in depth. But so good has the pop feminist crowd been at victimizing women, despite having every conceivable law in their favor, aided by media, that the public is conditioned to feel sorry for, RATHER than demanfing women take responsibiility for contraceptive failure and equal child support, etc. This is real reason, along with prochoice men who feel irrational brainwashed guilt over prochoice women's gestation woes manipulation of the facts, that abortion stays legal. The whole issue is framed as a "womans right to choose"...to be irresponsible-while ignoring the inverse about men and doing a 180 regarding them. I have never seen this show, I feel I can predict 90% of the attitudes that will come out, before having seen it. Very few folks, mark my words, will criticize the women who are going to come on and say they want to dump the kid, the same people who on the next show will vilify men for much the same. If lifers wish to ban abortion, they need to change society regarding these attitudes, and the rights of fathers, I have always said that, I just didnt realize how right I was until recently, because the society isnt going ban abortion on our in vaccuum life loss argument, we have 30 years of bloody dead children to prove that. If it doesnt correct its attitudes about female reproductive responsibility, we cannot hope to ban abortion. No way is a human life ammendment going to pass when the surrounding culture insists on treating women like children regarding personal responsibility regarding reproductive issues. If, and when, they do so and start treating deadbeat moms they way the do dads, we might see limits on abortion or bans (and that goes for pre and post birth situations) and NOT BEFORE...
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 31, 2001 at 09:33:39 (EST) from 0-1pool114-154.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
Its hypocrisy, moral inconsistency all rolled into one. How come CUBA isnt being treated likewise? Does it depend on which regime is worse and in whose eyes? Because this or that dictator has the BOMB or not? What China does regarding pop control and abortions is inexcusable, and intolerable. Likely they wont become democracies anyway, and if so, none of that wold change what a responsible and CONSISTENT *leader* would do. When South Africa had aparteid, which arguably was less impacting in totality and barbarism than what CHINA is doing we didnt play this game, why not? Why the sanctions? Its exactly this kind of hypocrisy that makes the USA look bad and evil to onlookers who watch in disbelief. Trouble is, so should WE THE PEOPLE. Doing what Bush does, I am sorry, condones or at least TOLERATES their evil. No way if the TALIBAN did this would he act likewise! He even says, people who even enable passively terrorists are part of the problem and will be dealt with, yet look at all the "terrorists" some of the worst biological kind no less, in China he will get in bed with by such recognition of an evil regime. If they are such, then the decision by a moral consistent man is an EASY one-or the man is a non-leader politico. If BILL CLINTON were doing this, I can see many people whining and slamming him, which would be justified for waffle ironness of a leader. Bush does, and "conservatives" give him a pass! Few realize that REPUBLICANS of old didnt feel looking out for the USA in trade was "isolationist" and now modern Repubs, due to the faulty leadership of the mainstream GOP and Rush Limbaugh have them convinced that non-conservative methodoligies should be the standard-amazing! People call Pat Buchannon a radical for his views on these types of matters, not realizing that until recently, the GOP would have been in lockstep, arguably justifyably so. China will take and abuse us in return likely, and use it to fund more atrocities against their own. Making them into "a democracy" isnt the answer, making them adopt a consistent moral code with human rights observance IS...
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 31, 2001 at 09:15:24 (EST) from 0-1pool114-154.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
When the time comes, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting....
Matt
USA - Saturday, December 29, 2001 at 08:31:34 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
This is for all interested in the Bush trade with China issue, arguing the error of doing so in the opinion of a Human Rights Dissident who might be in position to know, having contacts with the Chinese. It also describes China's gendercide of female babies, and the hypocritical inconsistency of the US Gov opposing Aparteid in S-Africa, sanctioning them econwise, but overlooking the Chinese abuses in the trade status issue, and it addresses the idea of converting them thru capitalism and who might really benefit. If Bush says all terrorists are bad and must be rooted from the globe, he could start with the biological terrorist Chinese, with their deplorable girl child murdering and forcing abortion to meet their "one child" pop control laws that the government uses to inflict terror on its citizens of an extremely extreme "prochoice" variety...
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 19:10:44 (EST) from 63.232.50.101
Exactly. GWB claims to be prolife, yet he does this, with an abominable nation that literally forces abortion on unwilling women for pop control law benefit! The removal of tying status into human rights records like their forcing abortions, is praised by the Chinese Gov. as "him doing what he should have done all along" and really, he should have done the opposite and demanded an end to their atrocities as a condition of such status, or else, if he had any real convictions or backbone. If you, a prolifer, who may be reading this, knowing what you know about China and their abortion by force coercion tactics, were prez, would YOU do this? What does that say about this man? **ducking**
PLM Happy Jesus's Birthday to all! :o]
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 19:09:45 (EST) from 63.232.50.101
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 19:09:23 (EST) from 63.232.50.101
I must be kidding, Rad, since I have never even been to a "hooters" once.
Mrs. Vlad would not approve and we live in a rather staunch Baptist Bible-belt type community (that kind of thing is frowned upon here). But most of us guys around here do qualify as "Male-Lesbians".
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 18:51:32 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Rad
Real Male-Lesbians are immune to food poisoning (We can eat anything). Turn-in your leather jacket!
(i am kidding)
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 17:44:47 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
" (Every Saturday night at a Hooters near you!)"
Vlad the first and ONLY time I've been to Hooters I got food poisoning I'll skip the meetings thankyouverymuch!
Rad
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 15:53:55 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
No, your post is not overly Harsh, PLM. You are entitled to your beliefs and I respect them. (I was afraid that my earlier post would sound harsh and cruel)
I just don't care what the Red Chinese do to each other, as long as they stay within their borders. A land war in China would be very costly in American lives and treasure and personally I don't think that the entire country of Red China and everyone in it is worth one drop of American blood. However, once they export their aggression outside their borders and threaten their neighbors, it will be time for us to fill the Formosa strait with dead communists. I hope that our current leaders continue to remind our Communist adversaries of what it would cost them to attempt an invasion of Taiwan.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 15:21:21 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Welcome Rad...
Have you been to any of the meetings? (Every Saturday night at a Hooters near you!)
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 15:14:17 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"I may not be a feminist, but I am a male Lesbian."
Me too Vlad :-D
RAD
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 14:31:37 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Hre we go with "lesser evil" logic-you CANT avoid hypocrisy, and us looking liking selective morality players which we get stuck with exactly because of crap like this. Lesser evil at end of day is still evil. If China started advocating a chinese NAMBLA, would you open trade eith them? Of course not, the proabortion media would agree to vilify them, but abortion, killing babies by throwing them into wells, drowning little girls, parents killing babies because they are GIRLS will all go away if they become a democracy?? (excuse me, republic?). Worsem the proabort media doesnt care much about what is going on about abortion in china, because its pop control fans and loves abortion "rights". If GWB was a leader, and conservatives would stop enabling him, by excusing his weak leadership, maybe the REPUBLICANS who are becoming more prochoice daily, wouldnt take prolife votes for granted like "they have noplace to go" which is what is happening. Each day, the prolife case gets weaker because lifers elect and support tepid waffle irons life Bush, and they find things get more evil, just SLOWLY, instead of over a cliff. If China had a super antiabortion policy where a police state was set up to enforce it, and AL GORE was prez, does anyone seriously believe the Dems would do the same. Hell no, theyd demand "womens rights and a womans right to chooe!" OR ELSE. No concessions. What will proabably happen is China will simply exploit what was given to them, and use it fund MORE abuse of their citizens, which is apparently ok, because they arent the Taliban and dont make the women wear burkas, just strap em down for abortions! Or if they become a "democracy" we will have a slightly more favorable abortion culture than the one now, like EUROPE, where babies keep dying, fathers keep being denied their rights, and THAT isnt MUCH better than it is now! We dont need "better abortion" we need NO abortion, and we need a leader who espouses that, which Bush is seriously endangering as a mantle. If China's actions and human rights abuses are so evil, we cant without hypocrisy do this, or cowardice-admitting we cant rush in like Afghanistan because THEY have the bomb, so we will tolerate crap from them which we wouldnt in most governments, so we MIGHT reform them by injecting our culture into them so they crave a Big Mac?? Sorry if this post seems harsh, Vlad, but I cant believe *I* have to type it to conservatives!
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 12:02:34 (EST) from 0-1pool113-119.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
All it says is; If the Red Chinese want to eat their own babies, then I don't give a rat's @ss. (Don't mean to sound blunt, but I really don't like communists and engaging Red China economically and exposing their people to the freedom and prosperity of the West will bring about the downfall of Communism much quicker then ostrasizing them and turning them into a xenophobic hermit kingdom).
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 10:38:47 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
The communist leaders of China
are good and deserve permanent MFN trading status.
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 10:10:40 (EST) from 0-1pool113-119.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
Penelope, does your Mother know that you are playing with the computer, again?
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 28, 2001 at 00:14:50 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
The Taliban leaders of Afghanistan were evil and deserved destruction. The communist leaders of China are good and deserve permanent MFN trading status.
The Logic Of George W. Bush
USA - Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 22:46:16 (EST) from 168.143.112.107
Ron - They've tried, but I banished them all to the cornfield. Didn't you see them there? :o]
Joy
USA - Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 15:37:05 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.13.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy - have the Thought Police arrested you for using the J-word?
Ron <elwoodblues@rednecks.com>
Cornfield, USA - Thursday, December 27, 2001 at 15:09:18 (EST) from 209-76-220-17.bankofthewest.com
Merry X-mas Rightgrrls! :^) Keep up the good works-somebody has to tell the truth!
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, December 25, 2001 at 13:02:11 (EST) from 63.232.120.18
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 25, 2001 at 00:21:36 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.224.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Okay everyone, MERRY CHRISTMAS! And if we can't have peace on earth, how about peace on this board (for just one day . . .)
Melissa
Philly , USA - Monday, December 24, 2001 at 18:13:29 (EST) from 0-1pool156-28.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
In order to wish Carolyn and all the other Righgrrls out there, a HappyMerry Christmas...Me and my buddy, Ren, are going to do our "Happy Happy Joy Joy" dance...
All you folks at home can join-in, too.
Are you all ready??? Here goes!
HAPPY-HAPPY-JOY-JOY!
Everyone Join-in!
Stimpy
USA - Monday, December 24, 2001 at 14:42:55 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT...INFINITY!
SO THERE!
Vlad, Jr. (Age 51/2)
USA - Monday, December 24, 2001 at 14:37:04 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
YOU! Back to the cornfield! Sheesh...
Joy
USA - Monday, December 24, 2001 at 13:06:15 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.251.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Beavis and his friend are still in the Guestbook????? I just got back from the cornfield . . . the Guestbook has suddenly become very substantive . . . and I'm sure Carolyn is enjoying reading these ridiculous posts :-)
Ron <elwoodblues@rednecks.com>
Left Coast, CA USA - Monday, December 24, 2001 at 12:03:20 (EST) from 209-76-220-17.bankofthewest.com
Yeh! He he he... GET A ROOM! heh heh he he he...
Huh huh huh like... femedude's gonna score... huh huh huh... with a dungbeatle... huh huh
Yeh! SCORE SCORE! Hehehhe heeh heheh... Like... you said dung... hehehe heheh... aren't all the beatle's like... dead... he hehh heeheh?
Yeah, like dead or something, they havn't put out any new CD's in a long time... huh huh huh huh, yeah... he's gonna score with a dead beatle... huh huh huh...
Beavis & Butthead <B&B@dillweed.com>
USA - Saturday, December 22, 2001 at 12:34:17 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.123.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"Why should we not keep you in a national database? It's for homeland security, after all. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about."
"Why should you mind if we put TV cameras on the streets? We're just trying to catch terrorists and criminals. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about."
"Yes, we want to mount cameras in your restaurant. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about."
"What's the problem? So we're putting cameras in your home? It's in the interests of national security. Well, see we can't just put cameras in only certain homes, that would be discrimination. Don't worry, the chip implantation is painless. What's your concern anyway? We are just looking out for your best interests. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about now do you?"
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 21, 2001 at 17:57:50 (EST) from adsl-20-144-241.mem.bellsouth.net
To be honest, I don't remember if I responded or not, so here goes. Yes, it's going to be long, so brace yourself. I think it all goes part and parcel with my innate distrust of any organized group. Call it paranoid if you like, it may be. Any group with feminists of any variety will succumb quicker than most. Let's take NOW, for example. When they started out, I'm sure there were mostly members of high ideals involved. Most members wanted change, yet were not of a mind to force their beliefs on anyone. Problem is, no group stays that way. Little by little the most fanatical will always bubble to the top and take control. It's sort of like the "Peter Principle." Those who want it the most will claw their way to positions of power. The rest take a more laissez faire attitude about things and do little to stop it. Eventually, this leadership will surround themselves with the more rabid members of the group. As a whole they will drive out the moderate members, replacing them with the extreme. This never, ever fails to come to pass in any group which exists long enough. Same for any country. Given time, this great country will end up the same way. It's not a question of will we let it happen, it's a question of when it will happen. The Germans never thought that upstart Nazi party would amount to anything either. Just takes the right circumstances. But, I digress.
The other thing which often happens, is the leadership, to retain "control" will allow things to go on of which they do not approve. Before they know it, like the founders of a company, they are out on their ear, and their company has been hijacked by the zealots. As I see the world, the worst thing we can do it elect leaders who actually want the job. They always have an ax to grind. Leaders should be drafted. The best leader is one who does not want the job.
Couple all this with my innate distrust of women, and you have a winning combination. It just seems to me women, perhaps because they are not accustomed to power, will mess things up every time. They will be so concerned about consensus, they forget to govern. Nothing worthwhile has ever been done by committee. Yes, men screw things up too, but, at least they USED to "just do it." No "Steering Committees", no "Focus Groups", no "Quality Circles". no employee involvement and "Empowerment." NOW is simply one of the most glaring examples of female ineptitude where groups are concerned. As I said before, if push comes to shove, women will either give up their principles to maintain power, or accede it to someone else without ever quite knowing what happened. NOW, besides being composed of rabid feminists, gave up their principles to keep Clinton in power. I know, you don't like NOW, and don't think anything like that could befall Rightgrrl. Neither did the founders of NOW. Groups composed primarily of women are never to be trusted. Anyone who falls in with them will be sacrificed in a heartbeat. And groups of women who espouse things many men want to hear seem to me to be the most dangerous of all. It's not your enemies who bring about your downfall, it's the flatterers. It's just another Siren's Song as far as I'm concerned.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 18:27:32 (EST) from adsl-20-144-233.mem.bellsouth.net
That's all I ever wanted. Just an acknowledgment that things work both ways. That I am not the only villain in all this. I came in today planning to lay into certain individuals once again, but now have no will to do so. At least someone in here knows what "A kind word turneth away wrath" means. I'm sure it took fortitude to say what you did, Bridget, and I am grateful. What's even more remarkable is you have not become a "target" now for agreeing with what I was trying to say about hate and hypocrisy. I know no one agrees with my stance on women, and that's fine. That was never the issue. Not really.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 16:48:52 (EST) from adsl-156-180-13.gsp.bellsouth.net
Amen and *high fives* to that too! Oh oh... now we'll be accused of 'falling in step'... Sigh... :o]
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 15:16:27 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.81.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
AMEN! *high fives*
I do understand where you are coming from though. And also, just because someone appears calm (I really don't know how you see that given some of his conniption (sp) fits, but...) doesn't mean what they are saying is acceptable.
The truth is that we don't know the state of mind of any poster. I'm naturally blunt, for example. Can't help it, tried to tone it down and it did not work at all. I usually post kicked back with something carbonated and get pretty mellow. I've had people think I was furious at them for something when I was just leveling with them. On the other hand, I know of people who have appeared to be "voices of reason" who were actually falling apart mentally while writing. Femecide probably *is* calm while he is posting, I'll grant that... someone with that much hatred for women (don't give me that "loathing is less than hatred" garbage) and who enjoys some of the things he does probably can be pretty ice-cold on-screen and off. He really believes his hateful spew.
BTW... Femecide is still full of it saying I didn't read his posts. There is no way people can be so much alike on a "basic level" yet have such widely differing morals, politics, ethics, etc. that they cannot agree on anything. On a basic level, pro-life women don't have jack in common with the NOW crowd outside of using the same restroom. For that matter, I can think of vast differences even among pro-life women that would prove no basic level commonalities. I don't believe for one moment that the Fundamentalist Protestant and strongly traditional Catholic women on site, for example, would welcome or even acknowledge the pro-life lesbians and Wiccans (yes, both groups exist... don't look surprised). It's a difference of core beliefs, and those things are quite independent of what's in the skivvies. The human brain is at the other end of the body, unless... no, I won't go there no matter how tempting it is :)
Sehlat
USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 15:13:29 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
I will post later when I stop laughing. You leave lasting impressions, PLM!!
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 14:00:29 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I haven't been here in a long time, glad to be back.
I do notice that the Guestbook is still more of a debating area. Prolifeman is still putting LONG posts up. A few new people have come on to accuse Carolyn of everything hated by the loony left. Those who are against abortion are still assumed to be anti-choice. And there are still the lovable souls who let their emotions turn their brains off.
The more things change, the more things stay the same. And it's soooo entertaining.
Ron <elwoodblues@rednecks.com>
Left Coast, CA USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 13:50:32 (EST) from 209-76-220-17.bankofthewest.com
I simply don't agree that people who think like f******e should be treated as being serious or taken seriously because in my mind, it's gives some level of credence to their ideas. I choose to treat them like jokes because that's all bigotry deserves to me. I do understand where you are coming from though. And also, just because someone appears calm (I really don't know how you see that given some of his conniption (sp) fits, but...) doesn't mean what they are saying is acceptable. Anyway, like I said, I really really respect you and you saying how you see me won't change that a bit! :o]
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 13:29:18 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.81.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
You raise a point you didnt seem to see here-you of course agree its wrong for ANY sex to hit, the other, or others of their sex for that matter and say so. You note at one time it was ok to beat the miss'is. You note a MAN getting beat by HER. She wails, and the MEN went afte r the MAN! Femicide would counter, "if a MAN was beating a girl, then WOMEN approached, then he fell and suddenly wailed SHE was beating HIM, would the WOMEN go after the *girl*? Or even reverse the genders. NEITHER sex would believe the guy, it DOESNT fall on gender lines with the women believing the women, and the men the men, BOTH believe HER. I have seen it with my own eyes where cops, in a two way fight, find a way, no matter how beat up HE is, to assume HE started it or was the main offensive batterer. Now the question: It pissed you off. Why do you think the MEN observers couldnt see what you did, and do you think women like our gal friday in your story have LEARNED to realize they can 180 and get people to believe it even if they were the perps? If so, what does that tell us about the TYPE of society we now are in, in how it views women, and moral culpability *VS* men? Abortion? Think about it. Femicide sees all women in essence as evil, SOCIETY *REFUSES* to realize *SOME* *WOMEN* actually *ANY* *WOMAN* can act/is evil. I dont know which one is worse, Femicide, or the unrealistic views most now seem to have regarding women, typified by your story above...
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 00:32:36 (EST) from 0-1pool115-94.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
Sorry Carolyn, I dont agree he has the right to insult you on your own site. I dont think you have to take such crap, nor should anyone be insulting blindly in making their point/observation. Femicide, at the rate you are going along, its a wonder ANYONE responds without expletives. Femicide, its your sweeping generalizations that get people feeling its useless to argue points with you, because of preconceived near absolutes about women you seem to espouse. Regards feminists, and the term feminist, the WORD feminist is suspicious, because gender equity implies working for equity, NOT *FEM* inist, but gender EQUITIST, which yours truly calls himself. The word feminist connotes so many suspect things today BECAUSE the women NOW claiming to be "feminists" are in most ways ideologically in league with N.O.W. It also describes ad hoc arguments for perceived self interest gain in the minds of many who detest modern world feminists, which you are not in line with, but when you call yourself a feminist that is what they think they are getting. Femicide will think so no MATTER how much he knows about you because that is what he WANTS to see...
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 00:13:50 (EST) from 0-1pool115-94.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
Carolyn, I'll get back to you on your other questions tomorrow. Need sleep. Been a long, difficult day.
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 23:03:15 (EST) from adsl-78-166-158.gsp.bellsouth.net
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 22:55:50 (EST) from adsl-20-147-127.gsp.bellsouth.net
In most cases, it takes a while before they determine I am probably not going to kill them during sex. Femecide USA - Friday, December 14, 2001
Vicious??
Joyless
Childish??
Chuck
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 21:19:07 (EST) from A010-0774.CLMB.splitrock.net
Chuck - No, you're not the only one. As usual HE is the only one that doesn't see what's right in front of his face.
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 21:03:38 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.75.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Never believe or trust women.
Am I the only one seeing this?
Chuck
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 20:57:12 (EST) from A010-0774.CLMB.splitrock.net
Don't believe a word these individuals say. These women, as the women who run similar web sites, are trying to suck you in by agreeing with fundamental truths men espose. Remember, these women still call themselves feminists. Feminists of ANY ilk are incapable of being truthful and will stop at nothing to squirm their way into your good graces. Never believe or trust women. Wake up while you can, or one day you will be unable to wake up at all.
Adam Anybody else see the irony here?
Yes, I vilify women as a whole, and feminists in particular but that is where it stops. I have not accused you, or anyone else of being a psycho, or a rapist, or a pedophile or any other vile crimes. My initial "insult" was merely that I did not believe any feminist could ever be trusted. That's it. I never accused you of any of the sick crimes of which I get accused over and over. I hardly think it compares. I have no problem with passionate responses. I DO have problems with wild, baseless accusations from people claiming to be "reasonable," let alone Christians.
Has it escaped your notice that a certain few posters have essentially taken over this board. Anyone they do not like they vilify and do their best to run off by intimidation, false accusations, and belittlement. I have no problem with being ignored. I have no problem with others having their say on me or what I post. But, come on, the ones to who I refer are downright obsessed with me and my posts. They cannot leave it alone for a moment. If I don't post for a while, they bait me to post some more. If that isn't obsession, I don't know what is. They can laugh it off by saying they just like pulling my chain, but it's way beyond that. They are childish and vicious. Which, as you say, is one key to this issue-if women (limiting to women for a sec here) who view gestation or them gestating following getting pregnant is "parasitical" then they should be responsible enough to "choose" to get their tubes tied off, because they KNOW (so they say they think) that being "an incubator" isnt for them, doesnt turn their keys, doesnt make their day, etc. If these gals would listen to their own claims, obey their own prescriptions, we'd be alot better off and fewer prenatal deaths would have occured. When asked, the response is: " But she may not KNOW yet HOW she's gonna feel, so the option must be there, and THIS baby might not be wanted, but another later might, so keep it legal, and birth control fails, even if you use good rubbers", etc.
Each time an excuse comes in to defend abortion on demand, no matter how selfish or irrational or self serving, as opposed to saying: "I will CHOOSE (exercising my right to choose!) to *either* risk pregnancy or avoid intercourse, or at least use contraceptives to avoid it and if it happen pay the piper and term, like an adult does, like MEN are expected to do by force of law, see paternity suits." So, it comes down to their not wanting to treat women as responsible ADULTS, giving them special one way genderized perks and priviliges, "safety valves" etc. to prevent anthing causing her to HAVE to assume ANY real responsibility beyond seeing to it that a child dies and she consequently doesnt have to cough up child support. This must be pointed out to fencers until they see the light of these deceptions. Great care must be exercised to address this at PROCHOICE women, not women in general, and be prepared to face in any case their whine to the fencer that you are against women's rights, hate women, etc., for expecting women to be treated as equals and equally responsible as men are, which you refute, point by point, until the fencer sees the emotional manipulation of the bort...
I will say that she's getting to be too much for me. I read a poem she wrote about 9/11, and was about ready to puke. I didn't mind her angst when she was 19, but she's 31 now. I still listen to her older music, but have stopped buying her albums (not only for political reasons....I don't like her style of music now....too funky).
I love DiFranco's music. I abhor her politics. But, I'm able to seperate the two. I don't listen to "Lost Woman Song," or some of her other highly political songs. I'm a guitarist, and I've always said, "I'd love to take lessons from Ani, but we couldn't say a word to each other!" rofl! I did it for the above reason! lol Because you continue to ignore the point and focus on mispellings and other trivialities. FISHED... Wayne's World! Party on! Excellent! (I even included the Wayne's World hint!)
But it worked out even better than I thought because you fessed to a mispelling, showing it could happen to ANYONE... AND THAT IT ISN'T THE POINT lol And yes, your posts HAVE included mispellings. So do mine... I usually ignore those because everyone does it and it's usually not a spelling error, but a typing one. Oh boy... better than I could have hoped... now maybe you will focus on the POINT
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Joy, I agree. If there's any comfort in it, the woman who made that statement had her tubes tied a long time ago. Of course, I have no way of knowing if she ever killed any children before that.
And PLM, I definitely see your point. And you know I agree with you. I was just bringing up some of the rebuttals I've heard from the hard-core borts with whom I've debated. :-)
Of course men and women should be treated equally under the law. Regardless of what I may think of them, women are, clearly, human beings. As such they are entitled to the same treatment as men under the law, and in everyday life. Unlike you, I do not let my prejudices affect how I treat other human beings. I'm sure you would be all for torturing Ben Laden, for example, as punishment for his crimes. Never asking yourself what sort of person that would make you. A person who could inflict pain on another and enjoy it. It sickens me when someone mentions things like that. Of course, in your twisted way, you will now say I am in sympathy with the terrorist Ben Laden. Sehlat... you should check out my message board I referenced... I'm discussing rape and murder, and he's picking at grammar and spelling. lol His OWN bad spelling at that. lol Pook, please note: Your purpose in debate ***IS NOT*** to make an irrational psychopath, like Pat Ireland, to AGREE with you. Its to RAISE DOUBT to fence sitters and peanut gallery novices to conflicting ideas about these matters about A) Their motives, B)their honesty about their *supposed* professed beliefs, C) to get fencers to see that they arent logical, or arguing "nobody knows so each woman decide for herself, etc.
When you attack Roe, you point out ***TO FENCERS*** that BY THEIR REASONING (ie the borts) the ruling fails, as Carolyn Gargaro noted in her article on this site about Roe, the UNCONSTITUTIONAL decsion-Blackmun argued "nobody, even the BEST scientists, knows WHEN life begins. He *then* made up (out of thin air!) established "trimester" framework by which, in increasing gestation STATES COULD START LIMITING. By his OWN WORDS, ABORTION MUST BE TOTALLY FREE TO WOMEN FOR NINE STRAIGHT MONTHS without state interference, not because you, the lifer agree that its logical or good argument, but that *IF*, according to Blackmun, nobody knows, then for 9 months, nobody can say, so WHY could/should "trimester" breakdowns be used to ALLOW states, as the pregnancy proceeds, to "begin having an interest in protecting life," etc. if NOBODY, even top scientists know when it happens, and it supposedly happens after conception but not AT conception but BEFORE birth, as Blackmun intimates?
You see, Blackmun, as Gargaro shows, commits, as you learn in elementary term papers, a "logical fallacy" of false premise which HE AGREES to terms *IS* a false premise, and uses *IT* to prove or base his opinion on in WRITING ROE! Its impossible. You cannot have this both ways. Fencers, but NOT Ireland, can SEE you WON the argument. And that is what matters. Ireland, when Matthews won, got silent, and if pressed, would simply support abortion, because she's so far gone, liek any hard bort, that NO AMOUNT OF LOGIC will change her, she wants to exploit abortion, the FACTS DONT MATTER to her biased mind. But to less hardened folks, the muddy middle who is the target swing voters who ultimately decide a 50% split vote in the propaganda war, you CAN WIN. Choicists are smart. They know better not to argue, they go after the undecided by focusing on the woman's RIGHTS, and her dying in an alley, a person, unlike the dumped murdered prenate, who they can "see". That is why the counterbalancing men's rights and father's rights arguments are so key to winning. By getting MEN to see abortion crushes them, 1000% of their choices, AND gives women 20 choices and unequal protection of laws, that men dont get and are denied, you fire them up ("regular" fencer men) to support US by giving them PERSONAL reasons to oppose abortion. Just like, in their brainwashing, the bort female goes after the minds of women and tries to convince them that access to abortion=women's rights, women's equality, freedom, economic parity with males, etc. So too, must you hit them with a reserse argument as I show. Your position allows you to use TWO arguments (baby, father,) to their ONE, the woman. Its up to you to use it wisely. As a lifer, a hard lifer, YOU, in debating abortion with me, dont HAVE to even MENTION men, or the father's rights paradox to win my votes to close every clinic in America, but I have NEVER succeeded in a typical debate with a mild uncertain male, for example, with "you should support us because abortion takes a life!" They need MORE, they need PERSONAL direct REASONS to oppose abortion that they can "see" and which applies to THEIR LIVES. See? And I guess since the little paracites need us to feed them and care for them til they are 18, we can now kill them all the way up to that age!
Oh, this makes so much sense!!
(sarcasm off) How sad is it that a woman would see a baby as nothing more than a parasite? How out of touch with her own being is she that she would see it this way?
One of the radicals I was debating (and she definitely fits the definition of radical --- she's a 50-something leftover hippie who still thinks she's fighting for RvW) said, "I'm not arguing about when life begins. Yea, sure that little embryo is 'alive,' but so is a fly, and I'll swat that away from me too. A fetus is alive, but so is a parasite, and that's what it is -- it has to feed off its host for 9 months within the host, then feed off her, literally, for another couple years, then is dependent for a few more. Children are parasites, and fetuses are the worst kind of unwanted parasite. And I have no trouble killing a parasite."
Yep....I tried to debate this thinking, but it's hard to debate when there is absolutely no common ground whatsoever.
At least that one eats meat!
Of course, eat a hamburger and they'll be in your face for the "needless slaughter of innocent animals."
WHATEVER!!!!!!! Suppose you argue life begins at conception. The choicist says "it doesnt." You should reply that if nobody knows WHEN it begins, the *choicist* isnt in the position to know either, which they implied by their answer. If it doesnt begin then, when does it? It could therefore be equally true that it COULD begin at conception. Chris Matthews, not even necessarily PL, used this to great effect on NOW prez Pat Ireland, who, calling lifers "kooks" that think a ball of cells is a person, hardee har har, was stopped dead (no pun intended) and stunned by this. He asked her how she knew it didnt begin then, if nobody knew, SHE wasnt able to asnwer that, when she said "I *can* tell you when it DOESNT begin-conception!" She, for once, was dead quiet instead of her usual whiny self. We need MORE of this kind of exchange on tv in front of fencers. If most newsmen/women cannot be relied on to ask fair correlaries, then lifers most get on to do so somehow, or we cant win. CBS, and obviously proabort network, seems to ALWAYS have "the other side" on when a LIFER is the FIRST speaker, to "be fair and balanced." But note when a choicist is on, they DONT return the favor. Watch their "Morning Show" with Bort Bimbo Blonde IQ challenged Jane Clayson to see this reality first hand. Rarely does the bad mouthing choicist nut get herself followed by a lifer who is allowed to rebut the bad mouthing!
Try this:
If they argue life does not begin at fertilization, and you argue the weight of science shows it does, argue the "safe falls or is pushed out of window and/or hunter" analogy. Argue to be sure, we must err on the side of caution, and favor no abortion, because even most choicists agree a 9 month "fetus" is a person, cant be arbitrarily aborted, but since nobody can agree *when* "it" becomes such, we can only start from point of conception and err on the side of no action, or terming, to be sure we *arent* ever taking life. It is the safe out window or hunter analogy: No responsible person shoots in the bushes which are moving UNTIL they can ID the target-we would charge them at minimum with neglect of POSSIBLE manslaughter. Or a person with earplugs stands at a window behind a huge safe. Intermittent (and sparodic) foot traffic is right below the window on the street. If you push the safe out to the cement without at least checking and KNOWING nobody is there, you COULD kill a life. Same with abortion. Too much obvious scientific markers exist pointing to "a human life" to allow blind risk of being ultimately proved wrong or in error about WHEN "it" achieves "personhood" to permit the terminations to go on until consensus is reached. So to err on caution, you allow term pregnancies. Arguing these ways about these issues are effective, alot more than the usual "I say its a life you say it not" approach, and then the bort just switches to debating quality of HER (the woman's) life anyway, so they are on ground they know is good for them to fencers who will sympathetically listen to their cries of coat hanger abortion hemorrages, etc. So, by doing so, you take them out of their obfuscation tactics nicely!
I'm not a witch!"
"Yes you are! You must be because you bothered to deny it! Saying anything more about the accusation PROVES you're a witch."
Circular logic is such fun.
Next, the switchblade thing. Again, read it properly. Don't take things out of context. A favorite tactic of people who's only purpose is to defame and mislead. I said we were into foreplay, indicating sex was already TAKING PLACE. That would hardly be rape now would it? The switchblade was just an aid to the sexual tension. Some women like that sort of thing. It's not "sick" or twisted, it is just another part of sexual stimulation. Different strokes and all that. Some women would freak out over the same thing. You have to read your partner du jour. Different women have different sexual appetites. Maybe when you grow up you will find this out for yourself. Such as women liking to be "taken." Movies have been made about that for years, starting with the Sheik of the desert kidnapping the rich girl. Same for pirate movies with similar themes. Look at the scads of "Romance Novels" with that theme. Much of which is written by women. It is not rape, it is seduction. Learn the difference junior.
"In most cases, it takes a while before they determine I am probably not going to kill them during sex." "Yep, sounds like a statement a psycho would make."
Seems sarcasm is beyond your grasp as well.
"Women do have a fantasy of being "taken" in a sexually charged situation, not raped." Better check your definitions. Sounds like rape to me, especially when a "switchblade" is involved. "In most cases, it takes a while before they determine I am probably not going to kill them during sex." Yep, sounds like a statement a psycho would make. "I remember, a while back, looking at a woman with whom I had sex, as she dressed to leave, and thinking to myself "What do I really feel about her?" The answer ... she was just "there." Like the furniture was just "there." There is no connection. She is an object moving about the room. I found that interesting, even a little disturbing. I thought about that for a long time, afterwards and decided that's just the way it was." Yeah, a woman who leaves immediately after sex, while you lay in bed thinking deep thoughts.... Sounds like a prostitute. "Look, you went over to the other site because I posted there. Justify it however you like, you DID follow me there. Try stalking someone else. Talk about inappropriate behavior." Talk about jumping to conclusions! I went and read that BS you wrote because Carolyn called attention to it. (Femecide "ignore" switch turned back on)
Look, you went over to the other site because I posted there. Justify it however you like, you DID follow me there. Try stalking someone else. Talk about inappropriate behavior.
You can say whatever you like. I'll just consider the juvenile source and respond accordingly. Were there too many big words for you this time? http://pub3.ezboard.com/bjoyland
There is one open forum... that does not need a password, and one private. Anyone who wishes to access the private one, email me for the password. And I apologize in advance for the pop-up ads.
Carolyn - I hope this will help the current situation. "Yes, what my people did to your people was tragic beyond belief, but that can be said for many peoples of the world. Thing is, most of those peoples got OVER IT. They moved on and into the modern world." How about you take your own advice, Adam aka Femecide? "Buh-bye ... buh-bye now, thank you for flying Femecide Airlines. Buuuuh-bye ... watch your head. Buh-bye ... buh-bye now!" Yeah, like any airline run by you would consist of more than two sticks, some newspaper, and a ball of twine!
Yeah, they all have the same tattoo. A scarlet "A" on their foreheads put there by the "decent," smug, self righteous women like you, Joy. They don't like being labeled any more than you. I could have one or two post here to tell you that themselves, but, I'm sure you would just think it was me through some other server. At first I didn't take him seriously because it seemed he was just going for shock value. And now I realize he's totally psychopathic.
It sounds like the kind of women he hangs out with have the same psychosis. They all must have the same tattoo on their foreheads... or maybe there's a club in some dark, sleezy neighborhood where they all meet. Let's just hope the sane decent women will choose to run the other direction.
That part is correct, Chuck. I don't "believe" in hate. As I have said before, I don't consider what I feel towards women to be "hate." It is something less, but I don't have a good term for it. Animosity, may be closer. More than animosity, less than hate. It's difficult to be accurate. I also criticize those here for not addressing the issue. Easier to spew bile towards me.
All anyone in here had to say was something to the effect that I was wrong in my assessment of the creators of this board. I might have posted one more thing in reply, and that would have been the end of it. Instead they decided to attack me in the foulest terms and sit back in their chairs with the smug assurance they did right. They never see their culpability in things going on for as long as they have. In addition, if one of them DOES try to address the issue, the others belittle the attempt with more slurs and venom. They ask pointed questions of me, then, when I answer truthfully and with candor, they continue to spew the same old poison back at me. They want me to say what they want to hear. When that does not happen, it upsets them to no end. Do I have it right?
My "standard" is that one comment on the issue, not the sender. I am chastised for "hate" by others throwing hate my way. That's hypocrisy. One cannot spew hate and condemn another for it. That's what hypocrisy is. I don't criticize them for their hateful attitude, I criticize them for their self righteous stance of considering themselves superior when they are doing the SAME thing. I criticize them for blaming me for their hateful posts, yet, at the same time saying I am spewing hate because of the actions of a few women. They are doing just what they condemn. Most posts did NOT carry the same "tone" as my original post. They went WAY beyond that. The overaction was a wonder to behold. And they rarely, if ever addressed the content, deciding rather to skew me, as opposed to what I said. To criticize the tone of what I said, rather that the content. The whole thing was lost in a flurry of hateful responses designed to ignore what I said. They realize I see the world through Femecide colored glasses and leave it at that. On other boards, they, eventually, put in their two cents on some issue, usually without animosity, sticking to the issue and not vivisecting me in the process. Animosity IS the ISSUE. YOUR animosity. From your first post:
Don't believe a word these individuals say. These women, as the women who run similar web sites, are trying to suck you in by agreeing with fundamental truths men espose. Remember, these women still call themselves feminists. Feminists of ANY ilk are incapable of being truthful and will stop at nothing to squirm their way into your good graces. Never believe or trust women. Wake up while you can, or one day you will be unable to wake up at all.
Now THERE'S an example of animosity! Question: Is it fair to hold the other posters to this book to a different standard of conduct than you hold yourself? In any event, please don't take my silence as consent for you to continue. I just learned a long time ago to ignore people who are spreading your kind of message. Without the attention they usually will look elsewhere for an audience. (Kind of like a child who would rather be a brat than be ignored) I personally think you came in here looking for the exact response you got, why else would you post your original message? Based on your descriptions of yourself, and the little bit of your history you've given us, I find it hard to believe you find WILLING women for sexual partners. You play some pretty nasty games, & I would recommend all women stay away from people like you. Don't bother responding to my comments, I'm sure I won't be able to "out talk" you, & won't even try. Like I said, I'll just be glad when you've moved on.
As to the hooker issue. Just because a woman likes sex does not make her a slut or a hooker, or even a whore. Many women do like sex, and sex with different men. Yes, I knew her. Still do. I have had very few pickups. It's important a given woman knows just what I think of women in general before we have sex. I don't want any later confusion in my motives. They just don't care or find it interesting, nothing more. Some just like the potential danger aspect of it. Others just want the fantasy of having sex with an artist. In most cases, it takes a while before they determine I am probably not going to kill them during sex. Did you know fear and sex are closely related in women? It has to do with the breeding instinct. Reproducing becomes an imperative if there is danger. Plainly said, it gets them hot. If you've never done it before, get a switchblade and bring it out during foreplay. Let the blade out and start moving the point gently over her body, including the breasts and groin area. Finally, cut off her panties with it. It'll drive most women up the wall. Especially if they are not expecting it. It usually works out best if she is a bit unsure of you. If she trusts you completely, it is not as intense.
Hey! Finally remembered the little paragraph dividers again! I hate it when all my text runs together. What has my sister done to you? Yet you hate her. What has my neice done to you? Yet you hate her. If you were to drop this "hate all women" BS, we probably could have a good discussion about something. Try it, eh? You're no different than someone in the KKK who hates all "non-whites" (non-offensive enough?). No basis whatsoever. A dentist has hurt me, but I still go to the dentist. I am not about to spread lies. If she left your house, she probably wasn't married to you. Did you know her before? If not, then the point is not whether you paid her or not...she is still of the stripe to which I refer. You sound like an intelligent guy; I would suggest: I still say you're shopping in the wrong place. Oh...here's the difference: Joy only posts that way to you...you post that way to everyone. Each individual deserves a chance. Just because I don't like someone doesn't mean that he is unlikeable. It just means I don't like him. Someone treats me badly, he is probably still a good person, just injustice to me doesn't make him a bad person. People tend to dislike someone and think that person is bad. That person still has (had) a mother, a father. Someone in the world cares about that person. Who is that person in your life? Feme- I think that upon my return I am going to persue what I think is the reason for your attitude toward women: you have to pay for nookie. So you see women the way you do...oh it will be fun. But that's what's in store for next week. Too da loo!! Long live the babies! :o] "I certainly see a lot in yours. I don't mean for my posts to have animosity in them. Maybe you don't either. It's funny, when I read your posts, I see you typing away with teeth clenched and brow furrowed". In my last few posts, BINGO! "I absolutely agree society does not hold women to the same expectations or standards as men. Proof of that is found in the way the death penalty is carried out for women as compared to men. Same with military duties, or divorce laws, or abortion responsibility, or child sexual abuse, or especially, spousal and child abuse. It's ALWAYS wrong to hit a woman, but not the other way around". Wait a second...HYPOCRITE!! Why should they be the same in all of these, hypocrite? I thought men and women were different, hypocrite? The reason there are not as many women on death row is because *gasp* they don't commit as many crimes as men...wow. Sexual abuse? Women really do this a lot, uh, huh. When I was a teenager I probably would have paid for this (ha-ha)!! It rarely happens. They shouldn't be held to the same standards because *gasp* *hand to mouth* they are not the same. Right, Feme? I agree at core level all over the map alot more than even WE might argue with both of you. I am so P*SSED off right now over femicide, that I am leaving for the rest of today because I dont want to go there and he is really ticking me off right now. Sorry for the departure, keeping my sanity intact by leaving the scene of the anger inducement.... Ok, femicide, I am at a loss with you. You dont know her, you dont know her to be a hateful hypocrite, you only know her GENDER. Why must you always make it out to be good vs evil and MEn=good, and women=evil??? What has she done to warrent this latest flame which is now in vitriol oasis to YOU personally? Do you simply ignore the arguments MERITS and focus just on sex? THis, ironically, makes you no better than a feminist who argues, as I say, that men have no business "butting in" abortion because they cant have an opinion about abortion because they are male, like their stance and reasoning was logical, fair, or sensible. If Joy posed as man, and said EXACTLY her words for a month, youd never know and would only at best mildly disagree with her. But because you equate ALL women (more or less) with evil and Satan, you pounce.
Why am I even responding? I heard that from someplace, I just cant remember where... ;^) Put up, or shut up, Feme. I have seen no hate whatsoever in Joy's posts exept toward you. Show us. "You mock me for lack of substance" We all mock you. "yet post dozens of useless posts, considering yourself to be so much better". She does not consider herself better than you, AND she's trying (like the rest of us) to ignore you. She considers us all (unlike you) on the same level, but your views are horrible. "You are a hypocrite of the worst kind". And what exactly is that kind? We are all a little hypocritical, are we not, Feme? The fact that you have sex with people you hate is more hypocritical than anything she's ever done. I know, I know, you separate sex from hate. That just proves you are calloused. You need help. "Your cronies reinforce the "correctness" of your hate so you feel good about it all". She feels good about it all because it is not hate (except toward you). You are quick to see other's hate because you are hateful. People don't trust because they are not trustworthy. People do not love because they cannot love themselves. People hate because they hate the person they are trapped with in the same body. You are hateful. "You are, clearly a smug, condescending twit, with an over inflated ego". And you are wrong. Talk about hypocritical...you will say all of this about someone you've never met, other than to spew hate at her half of the species. She may be some of these things toward you, but I don't blame her. You are one sick puppy. You have some serious issues that should be dealt with. What is going to be said at your funeral? What will your legacy be? Hate. What a sorry commentary on someone's life. What a sorry life. I hope you get over some of these issues in time to realize that woman is God's greatest creation. It sounds to me like you are shopping in all the wrong places in the first place. You mentioned about after sex and watching the woman leave. WHAT? Did you pay her? Is it because you are such a jerk and so ugly no woman will be with you except for cash? That would explain a whole lot. Why don't you crawl back into your hole and figure out while you still can what's wrong with you and correct it? You are wasting your life? Why be bitter from 53 to the end? Do something about it, eh? Joy, the point is no woman ends UP paying because 1, child custody by law is scewed practically gauranteeing female custody and two, women can abort, while the man watches the terming (having no choice to terminate even legally) while she can end it, so she never pays SUPPORT, its NOT THE SAME FOR MEN AND WOMEN BECAUSE OF ABORTION UNILATERAL LAWS. The final destination is always under her control. So child support IS a choice for women. Also, courts rarely enforce orders on women, its like 1200 times worse for custodial men to collect, even when they gain custody.
And just a question... shouldn't this be about the babies? And not male vs female all the time? While I
agree with your arguments and always have, it seems like your only focus is on the male vs female...
and not the babies. Seems like the babies should be the focus.
Spoken like a person (no offense, I like you even) who the law gives a choice NOT to have *her* child killed, ironically enjoying the same right pc females do, which prolife MEN even dont get! You can on some level agree to disagree, because you can avoid YOUR child's abortion. If the law kept everything about abortion the SAME, same killings, but the FATHER only could demand the termination, do you think women could *afford* the luxury of focusing only on the life loss??? Where tons of women post on abortion, and ONLY focus on the loss of life, and not *women* (but not men!) having NO choice, having no right to practice their innate or religious beliefs, having to pay child support while EVERY man could opt out after impregnation by law!? You are singing to gallery, Joy. I agree and dont need "father's rights" per se to oppose abortion and never did. I would be foolish to not (and this is not selfish) consider how this thing is affecting men or me being one. And it has worse implications directly for me than you, because of the unfair laws. I have debated the life loss issue THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of times. And still do. But it doesnt get us over the top strategically. Over the long haul, because we never break through the "abortion is a woman's issue" UNTIL the Joe Q. Public sees the issue is equally about men over all the arguments pc women spout, AND results in death for someone totally without even the choice to risk their own risk of abortion-the baby!
Its about strategy. If choicists prop the woman up, WE should prop the man up. Balance the power of the two parents, and you go A LONG LONG WAY to solving the sociopathic dynamic that DEFINES (a priori) "reproductive choice" *AS* being *ABOUT* or mostly concerning the female. People dont "see" the preborn, who is dumped into the garbage. They "see" the choicist emotional pandering of "woman beats unwanted baby" and "coat hanger ruptures her and she bleeds to death" to make the fence sitter support the choicist view. The woman NOBODY disagrees is human life, but in making HER the focus as well, (with some limiting exceptions) the lifers are using "ground" they cant win, because the choicist always can say she can say "NO" as well. Unless you see all 3, you dont win the public war. I can and have, in real life, destroyed choicist females in front of other men, who high five and support ME when they agreed with abortion going in, which rarely happens when I isolate the child victim as "straight pure argument form" lifer. The men realize women having abortion even legal, at least unilateral (and borts rightly know if its father vetoable abortion as a tool loses its gloss and will result in abortion docs going out of business ovr lawsuits) that THEY are getting "screwed" so its personal to them. *They* (the men I spoke of) can "see" their own interests. I can appeal to them on that ground. If I do on life loss, I look like an exremist due to media portrayal. But if they can be made to see they are losing all their rights, while women dont AND gain tons more, they rebel and attack the woman choicer who tries to "gestation burdon guilt" them into supporting abortion! Its about tactics, and strategy Joy. Something lifers are way worse at, given the laws and their cementing over the past 30 years, than the other side!
It really makes me mad when "prochoice" women whine over PROLIFE women as "supporting make domination" for simply advocating reproductive EQUITY. Nobody tells me I can walk out and not pay because I didnt like the conception and it was a one nighter. If women are PL, and demand abortion be BANNED, thus taking away a "right" NOBODY should have had anyway, it doesnt make them do anything except take equal responsibility. You cant argue gestation, its off table because thats pure biology, it doesnt equal a "pass" for women due to the stress of pregnancy, UNLESS its counterpart, men NOT gestating, as we know they dont, means men owe jack diddly and dont have any fault or responsibility for the pregnancy, the prenatal bills, the child, etc. Anytime the Supreme Court is gonna pass "repro rights" for men? Didnt think so. We all know courts make men even pay gestation hospital bills, in the thousands, by force or jail AND to retain even adoption contestion rights. Why should a female be able to argue bio pass if I cannot with MY "situatedness" regarding pregnancy, impregnation, etc.? I can say its not my problem because men dont have wombs, and we dont expel children from our bodies directly, so fatherhood is "chance" so men dont owe anything ever and cannot due to biological law so women are 12000% responsible for all babies 100% of the time! But I dont because I am an adult! And its about being an adult, which prochoice women ARENT. They are deadbeat moms! We keep imagining only women have it rough, only women suffer over accidental pregnancies, etc. and make our own self fulfulling prophesies by supporting unequal child custody laws and results. Only when we stop doing this, and stop overblowing gestation and look at it (about the man and woman involved) as a two way street with tough luck all around, will we succeed in banning abortion... And just a question... shouldn't this be about the babies? And not male vs female all the time? While I agree with your arguments and always have, it seems like your only focus is on the male vs female... and not the babies. Seems like the babies should be the focus. I've felt that way since his first post. His notions come from his extreme victim mentality and his sheer laziness. Same as the FemiNazi's... extreme victim mentality and laziness. It's all THEIR fault... how convenient and easy... and you no longer have to think. Both extremes are bitter, lazy nitwits. (Please note this is NOT directed at you, pook, and I see your position and observation point well taken) Begin rant:
I see that all the time, but THAT is the height of illogic:Suppose MEN said "you are the pg ones, so its all your responsibility your fault, your choice so you are to pay 100% of the bills, etc." All of these silly "biology based" arguments are ****100% reversable****
The biggest fallacy of abortion, is made to think and argue from the VIEW of the woman only, even when comparing the man vs woman in the equation without settling the "when life begins argument. You cant even begin to say "men dont carry" so they should shut up, UNTIL you see the effects on BOTH and analyze deeply. After which, you find its more of a two way street than first glanced, AND that the effects are NOT limited to the not having a choice about terming a pregnancy.
To whit:If men have no rights, they lose NOT ONLY choice to keep, but must pay child support while no woman must. Several other rights are lost, or huge additional "gravy" ones come women's way as a result of Roe, that men are denied. No way any woman can convince me her "right" to make a SECOND choice *beyond* risk of pregnancy (really, a child and child support monies) is worth so much that I must lose 100% of choice, even to NOT have the baby aborted and be left alone, is compelling because WOMEN are (by luck that I didnt choose) carriers. Men could argue that since paternity isnt obvious, but materity is, that men simply can refuse DNA tests on privacy, and all women would have 100% of child support to pay and raising, etc. If men claimed this, using the SAME "biological" arguments but in reverse, as I just showed an example of, nobody would tolerate it.
The reality is, this is why I have issue with choicer females. They never seem to see the OTHER side and if THEY were male what one way reproductive rights would do to THEM. How is it my fault that I dont carry a child, and WHERE does that PROVE their case? It doesnt. Further, who is to say her claim of "body integrity" (funny she didnt think to control her egg like they tell men in child support court AT SEX) is MORE VALUABLE on a ***SCALE OF VALUES*** than my right to NOT have my child's head crushed or my right of child custody sharing and parental rights as a father! Worse, it doesnt answer any question about what his rights are, OR the child's, whose being "terminated" because ONE person of at least two doesnt THINK its a human life or says so, simply based on the GENDER of the observer. That is a logical fallacy, and no reason to support abortion or the claim of men not having a say being logical or expected given that only women gestate. Marilyn Vos Savant, the "smartest woman in America" agrees with me on this point, for the record...
Actually, PLM, a pro-choicer (especially a bort feminazi) might consider the pro-life men to be the worst of the "anti-choice" bunch, since they don't have to carry the children. But, we pro-life women are "tools of the patriarchy," trying to oppress our "sisters" as it is, right? (rolling eyes!)
I realize your post was directed at Femecide, but I thought I'd just address that one line. It's definitely the opinion I've come across from debating with pro-choice radical feminists all the time -- that the pro-life men are horrible.
Of course, you all know MY feelings. :-) ! http://www.dispatch.com/news/religion/faith-story.php?story=dispatch/news/features01/dec01/986691.html Let me try it again My point, on prolife WOMEN was thus:
No woman HAS to have an abortion. But can, even IF she is or says she is prolife. Clearly, prolife WOMEN do exist. Since THEY (as individuals) dont have to have abortions, could choose one if they changed their minds, etc., their MOTIVE for demanding abortion be banned isnt likely self serving at a fundamental level. They are asking removal of EXTRA OPTIONS they could potentially exploit, even if they dont foresee themselves having an abortion, etc. True, several PL women express concern that other women, if not themselves, MIGHT be duped into aborting and regretting, but their main motivator cannot likely be their OWN interest, even a perfectly fair one, like men opposing fathers having no say in the decision to even keep a child gestating. So, prolife women, like the webmistress of this site, DONT have a personal stake by force, so to speak in demanding abortion be banned, because that means THEY cant ever use it legally, so their intent is justice, fairness, and anti-oppression of children, by anyone, including WOMEN, including THEMSELVES. So much for your theory of women being self serving change their ways in a flash over THEIR perceived needs and ideology. One woman I recall posted here and said she would rather likely be KILLED than end a life threat based pregnancy, because SHE would still have to live with saving herself, and killing (even in self preservation freak cases) another, especially one's own child.
What, are they just egotists, does the CPC worker admin I know, who works tirelessly, helping women AND men out for FREE, to prevent them from abortion trauma and to save a life, do it for selfish, cruel, female manipulative reasons, because the person I speak of is/was female? Are prolife MEN only good, just, and selfless?
Your argument about women being cause oriented bimbos doesnt wash. I am just as devoted to the prolife cause, for example, as any woman is. Some of the examples you gave were thoughtful, problem is you overgeneralize without qualifying, and then when you do its always the woman's fault and her evil nature at core level that causes the problems, failing to see the hand men have in the same. I could cite several examples. Feel free to ask me about them. When I get time, and mine is limited right now, I will exlpore this further, but I can understand the frustration Sehlat, Carolyn, etc. feel, because you color every word they say with the writer being xx chromosome, which you pre-equate with evil, manipulative, souless (!? how do you know they arent with souls and are you saying MEN are and how do you know that??). Soon, you wont have people angry, just pitying you in disbelief of it all...
With you, there is no common ground. I strongly believe that your "description" of women is nothing more than a look into your own mind, since you are the one demonstrating cruelty, soullessness, etc. I didn't say finding common ground works with everyone. It can't work with someone so full of hate or so unwilling to be fair to an opponent that there can be no common ground.
Even on issues we do share common ground, abortion, perhaps the death penalty, it's overshadowed by my POV on women. Nothing is going to change that.
I can't see how someone so full of hate as you could possibly oppose abortion. After all, half of those aborted are the females you hate so much. Glad you oppose it, but it is an inconsistency on your part. For all your thinking that we would ditch our convictions in a moment, it would seem that you actually would have more reason to change your mind precisely because of your hatred for women.
I pay attention to the other's side. I just don't buy it. It IS prejudice, I admit that. So? The origin of prejudice is prejudged, so the term is technically correct.
At least I can credit you for that much honesty when you admit you have prejudged. You have proven that you make up your mind without bothering to get the facts first. Of course, that does mean that your statement about paying attention to the other side is bogus... the facts would be too much of a challenge to your ideas.
I don't pay much attention to psychobabble books from either gender. "Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars" was hilarious. It took a grain of truth and extrapolated it to the absurd.
(For the more open-minded: I read Elgin for her work in linguistics, not for the babble. As I said, she's liberal so I take some of her stuff with a grain of salt.)
Hey, guess what? I _hate_ John Gray's books! I think his "ideas" are one of the biggest piles of junk out there. I know from honest observation and real-life experience that men and women are not cookie-cutter, and I've seen his assumptions fall flat many times. In this respect, you are far closer to believing Gray's ideals than I'll ever be because you work from a set of assumptions -- either totally false or only based on a handful of people -- and you apply it wrongly across half the population. Glad I don't take your hateful attitude and use it against men, or I'd have missed out on some rewarding friendships.
I absolutely agree society does not hold women to the same expectations or standards as men. Proof of that is found in the way the death penalty is carried out for women as compared to men. Same with military duties, or divorce laws, or abortion responsibility, or child sexual abuse, or especially, spousal and child abuse. It's ALWAYS wrong to hit a woman, but not the other way around. Of course when you confront one with that, THEN they say it's wrong either way. Until that point the double standard was ok. It always is. Notice how losing child custody due to working long hours was not an "issue" until it happened to a woman (Marcia Clarke)? It's certainly not new. Know why there were no women on trial at Nuremberg? They were all given a pass on the basis of their gender, nothing more. This, despite the fact there was a mountain of evidence against female guards and female spouses of the men convicted. Female violence is swept under the rug all the time. Gives us the view women do little or no wrong. OK now I'm rambling.
Getting back to the point. What do I hope to accomplish? I don't think I am trying to accomplish anything in particular. I'm not on any sort of a crusade. I just say what I have to say. I see certain truths and I put them out there.
I pay attention to the other's side. I just don't buy it. It IS prejudice, I admit that. So? The origin of prejudice is prejudged, so the term is technically correct. I have already mentioned two female authors who's books I have read, or partially read, so your last statement is in error. I don't pay much attention to psychobabble books from either gender. "Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars" was hilarious. It took a grain of truth and extrapolated it to the absurd. Do you suppose that, being female, the women of this site DONT have "real" beliefs on one of the big issues-abortion? That to "save themselves" or their ideology, they would dump it in a flash? This appears to be your argument, and one that has angered many.
Now let's analyze:
If a *WOMAN* is prolife, what does this mean? I said WOMEN, not MEN. What is her motive? Agreed, she can have several, from helping women in crisis, to saving preborn slaughter victims. At the same time no less. But with the law allowing women to (in their own direct lives over their personal pregnancies) to choose ANY option of two, be she self professed prolife or "prochoice", their motivation certainly isnt themselves, or their rights. Due to law, and this is no attack on men, the situation is starkly different for men-they have stake in seeing (if they have any brains) abortion banned, due to lack of choice and loss of choice to even be left alone and retain choice of terming progeny. So, arguably, the female PROLIFER (not prochoicer female, for obvious reasons) cannot even be accused of the self interest chuck it all on the fly mentality you suggest, is that not so? I would appreciate and answer on this, because THIS is what fascinates me most about this whole exchange you are having on this guestbook... I cant speak for the angry femicide, and in my comments regarding this, is that at some point, it cant become common ground or compromise, because one persons claim to excessive freedom is the othe guys NOSE. Or somebody arguing child rape is "choice" and is "consenting sex", etc. At any rate, it isnt possible to compare two WOMEN arguing abortion with a man and woman, given the light year difference in legal protection and options, which should NOT cause the protagonists to agree to disagree, but *might* (if one or both agrees to agree to disagree on the third victim, the child) if they were two women, for obvious reasons. I see your point, though, to find solutions via common ground isnt without merit or non-simultaneously practicible. And you are correct, in that noting such merit doesnt mean YOU compromise your beliefs or dump them. I can see if femicide is listening he just got to the heart of the anger inducing matter-a charge that one (by gender) doesnt hold or retain strong convictions except as conveinent, etc. doesnt believe what they themselves say two seconds later, which was what made most angriest at him, perhaps...
I can, however, meet someone on common ground and help my opponent clear up misunderstandings about my point of view and let him/her do the same for me. As a result, I've been accepted among pro-life liberals and others with whom I would normally disagree... and without compromising myself or forcing anyone else to do the same. It's not that hard, but it does require stuff like... oh, working through prejudices and paying attention to the other side's views. OK, for you, maybe that's too tough.
I'd suggest learning how to do that by reading a few books by Suzette Haden Elgin, a liberal psycholinguist... oh wait, woman author, you'd never touch them. Oh well. Can't say I didn't suggest it. My vote is for "ignore."
Keep in mind, I came here to make one, and only one statement (my first post). It is others who had to know more. I simply responded to questions. I volunteered nothing. Therefore, I don't characterize what I have posted since then as ramblings, hateful or otherwise. They were specific answers to specific questions. Had I just gone on posting with no responses, THAT would have been rambling. Consider them hateful if you like, that's your prerogative. I merely view them as statements. I'm sure you see a lot of animosity in my posts. I certainly see a lot in yours. I don't mean for my posts to have animosity in them. Maybe you don't either. It's funny, when I read your posts, I see you typing away with teeth clenched and brow furrowed. When I read my posts, I see myself as I am, simply typing a response with no look of anger or anything else except calm. I'll bet, however, you look at my posts and yours just the opposite, seeing yours as I see mine, etc. Perception ... all is perception.
Nope, this is me wherever I go. Some appreciate it and get past the initial shock to discuss other issues. Some don't. Such is life.
We're called anti-choice, by them. They call themselves pro-choice. But should a woman receive information about the actual procedure of abortion? HELL NO! Should a woman be presented different options and counseled on each? HELL NO! Should clinics even be expected to keep higher sanitary standards than vet clinics? HELL NO!!!
Sure, they're pro-choice. So long as you make the choice they want you to make. You do make a point here, in that men are socialized such and choose (as much as can be given social training) to do so. One problem, which is WHY (one reason that is among several but a BIG ONE) abortion is legal *IS* society doesnt recognize women having to be culpable responsible moral agents. Many women ARE responsible, but societal expectation is light years lower simply on gender, which is why you see such hypocrisy about "reproductive rights" AND failing to see it as a two way equation, like my Glamour magazine example which I would ask everyone here to read. Men are EXPECTED by ALL to be totally in control, no excuses, which is why you see polling data on the c4m site showing prochoice women (and men in general) opposing it but supporting abortion! Feminists, meaning most modern versions, do NOT want equality, theywant special priviliges and escape hatches. But you cant generalize and lump *all* women any more than men. Men have ideology. I have ideology if you ask me on abortion I think it is MURDER. I totally oppose it, and so do many *women* here. I dont blame those women, I blame NOW feminists and their hypocritical lies and the men who voted Roe and stripped men of basic rights to their offspring protected for women in all directions under law. Lots of blame to go around, among BOTH sexes. Saying someone isnt sincere because they are female is saying stereotypically that they are all flighty, untrustworthy, etc. Examples of that exists in both sexes. I think you confuse feminism of today which is self serving ad hoc to meet any perceived agenda/need damn all logic or condridictory facts with reasonable folks, female or not. N.O.W. scares me with their illogic, but so does the folks (men) at "c4M" advocacy who view *any* abortion as a good one, on paper or medically to escape responsibility. If you lump all women together, you will have 50%-50.5 51% of the pop fighting your furthering your agendas, justice, etc., and some men as well. You cannot alienate flatly and expect good results for your cases. What do you hope to accomplish coming into a site ran by women, telling them in effect that *all* women are evil? Even if you did it in a mens site, what would you expect? Now, I agree with some feminists, if such a person did your line, but was FEMALE, theyd not all flame her, because they see only their resentment of men for this or that reason. Isnt that what you are doing, ironically, in reverse? You said Sehlat didnt qualify her claim about you being dumped and mad over it, no basis to know such details, but you lump strange women into knowing *their* character offhand without knowing anything else except their sex. What gives?
Jen, if she is not just another SN of Vlad's so he has something to be witty about, is simply demonstrating another manifestation of the surface diversity of women as a whole. As I said before, I am lumping them together on a much more fundamental level. Nor do I lump anyone with a particular individual or group, i.e., perverts, murders, rapists, etc. Thus, the analogy to Manson or Herman is not applicable.
Besides, isn't it good to have something common to rally around? Even Monica with her supposedly different political view shares your POV about me.
Speaking of Manson, did you notice? He didn't kill anyone in the infamous massacre, yet he is always mentioned as being "the" murder. He got others to do his dirty work. Not that I am excusing his involvement or would ever want him out. Still, maybe invoking Lynette Fromme's name or even Susan Atkins' would be more appropriate. If you need a male name try Tex Watson.
BTW, if we're so much alike, then explain that jen chick's post. Obviously she doesn't think we're like her... although her characterization of us is wrong. Monica is also different politically from us... are we still peas in a pod? I can tell you for sure the singles and the marrieds do not think alike around here. If you so much insist on grouping all women into one group, then allow us to do the same to you and group you in with Charles Manson and Pee-Wee Herman because you all can use the same restroom. I see it now... you think I'm wrong to suggest that? So are you when you do the same to us.
Yes, I do lump all women into one group, because they ARE one group. In a previous post I said women are quite diverse, but I also said, on their most basic level, they are really all the same. As someone once said, "the greatest mistake a man makes concerning women is the silly notion that one differs appreciably from another." On a fundamental level, that is what I believe. I'm sure the women here do believe what they say. I also don't think they will remain constant to their current philosophy. If push ever came to shove they would give us (men) up in a heartbeat to save themselves or their ideology. I remember reading a section from the Book "Queen of the Damned" by Ann Rice. A book which, clearly, BTW shows how she really feels about men. Anyway, in this section men only were being singled out and slaughtered by the hundreds (as usual) by the "Queen." What did she depict the women doing? Cowering and running away. Were it the other way around, men would be throwing themselves en masse against the killer to try to save the women. I know it's fiction, but it sounded about right to me. Of course, if something were attacking their children many women would probably sacrifice themselves. If something happened to incapacitate men, in general, you think women would step up and defend us? Not bloody likely. It happens with ideology as it does with life and death. Exceptions would be extremely rare. Women, as a rule, can never be trusted. Certainly not with your soul.
BTW... you're talking to some of the wrong people when talking about some "female mentality". Apparently you, as a male, seem to believe something we women learned was false long ago... there is no one "female mentality". Some women may be stereotypically feminine, all lace and frills, and could never hurt a flea. Others may be sexy connivers. Some may be downright butch. We don't come out of cookie-cutters. What is this one mentality you think we all have?
I still pity you... more than ever, since you think hatred keeps you safe. It doesn't. It only keeps you down. If you want to stay hated, that's your wrong choice. The rest of us have lives to live and people to love. Maybe we're not "safe" by your definition, but we're having a lot better time than you.
Will it kill me? Maybe. We all die eventually, and I've probably been living on borrowed time anyway. When we die, we all die alone, no matter if there are a thousand people standing next to us. In any event, that's the least of my concerns.
I don't care if you have sympathy for me or not. Hatred keeps me safe. Frankly, I think hate is really too strong a word. What I feel tends to fall short of that level, but there does not seem to be a word which conveys it better than "loathing." I know the dictionary equates it with hate, but I don't. Part of the problem here is that you try to make posts you feel are intelligent, but in total generalizing, and not qualifying your basis in a way that doesnt put eveyone on the defensive, you lose your message. Your nick, "femicide," wont exactly win friends and influence people on a site ran by people, to put it bluntly, who have uteruses. Certain things you do generalize arent totally off the wall, because its true that each gender, assigned expected roles from day one, will act sometimes in accordance to them apparently, manifesting certain stereotypical characteristics being a function on the society they currently live in. For example, if you said to most men today "should women be owned property in marriage de facto?" most likely (I would guess) say NO! What if this were 1826? The same men in the USA, PRIOR to suffrage, etc., might think otherwise AND see no fault in it, and even fail to see why anyone "in their right mind" would call them sexist, etc. The difference is in social conditioning and the society, media, etc. that prevail in that locale and time. To the men of 1826, it wouldnt occur hardly to them that what they were doing was in the view of many today was unfair, they even thought it natural order, and for then, it seemed so. So when women (and men!) are conditioned with today's messages, it can lead on some general basis to observations of views held by them to reflect certain tendencies, but these are generalizations. A good example is the good old "reproductive rights" issue.Society bombards people, including media, with abortion=WOMEN, or "repro rights and choice" are about "women", etc. instead of the truth, which is that it involves no less than THREE people each time hugely! Glamour magazine, a "prochoice" mag, literally DEFINES "repro rights" ONLY from a female view in essence, and they dont even seem to SEE the illogic of it or the sexual elitism. They are bombarded daily with the message that its ABOUT *WOMEN* and so its not surprising that they ran a year or two ago an article on MEN and "accidental babies" and wrote words they never would have about/for women and didnt seem to see the problem with the double standards they wielded.
Your problem stems from telling the women founding this site that THEY dont hold their own views seriously, they dont believe their OWN words. This is offensive to them, because who wants to be told they dont believe their own line? By lumping and generalizing, you got scorn, then you said "that wont make me trust women, now will it?" which just makes them think you REALLY *hate* women and did before you *started* posting, so its frustrating because they think anything they say will be ignored because your mind is made up about them based on them having to ovulate. I think, if you wanted to be effective, you should have qualifyed where you think your generalized observations came from, i.e. if some culture existed that said it was good for men to beat their wives, you said many men in that culture assumed so due to cultural training, which perhaps should change you might argue, and then you would be qualifying, not random generalizing. By saying de facto, "women are this way" not allowing differences (at least this is how you are coming across given the post responses) for individualism, and lumping without even qualiying your basis and source, it seems to the masses that you are dumping on women, so you get flamed. If you changed this approach, perhaps you would get more serious discussion of your points in response. I hope I have been helpful! :^)
PLM Been so busy lately "in real life" I hardly am online EXCEPT to check emails of non-interpersonal nature no less, its rare to do anything but the non-interpersonal email-will try to show up sometimes-here is another take on femecide posted below: You're joking, right?
Now there's a coincidence. Thats just how I see conversing with you. Have for some time. But, as I said, I find myself with some time on my hands, so I figured, what the heck. So, I hereby am putting my keyboard down and backing away from the computer... (I dunno... I'm feeling a bit shakey... MUST TYPE... okay... okay... I can do this...) Ahhhhhh... feeling better already... :o]
Which, of course, somehow allows you to ignore your own behavior. My behavior is to respond reasonably to those who post reasonably. Even to bile mongers like you, I still try to post reasonably to see if they are capable of change. Try again. Lets see if you can come up with more excuses for your deplorable posts.
That’s why I don’t tell many people about my ‘bumps.’ They never, ever look at me the same again. They then filter everything I say and do, and everything they say and do through that knowledge. And I want to be accepted or rejected based on who I am today, not what happened to me over the course of many years way back when. I don’t want people’s pity. I don’t want them to dance around on eggshells and be afraid to say what they really feel and think because of what happened to me. And I don’t want to be liked based on what happened as opposed to who I am today. And that’s something I share with the injured and disabled vets I know. They don’t like that either. Which is why most won’t talk about it.
You seem to want me, and others, to ignore what you write and your hateful attitude and instead base our feelings toward you based on what you experienced. Po po femicide… da booboo got hurt. I won’t do that. That’s why I call you a coward. Because you seem to want everyone to ignore the hateful creature you have become and brush it all off on what you experienced. You want to USE what happened to you to have an excuse to be so hateful. So many people have experienced far worse than what you have and come away with a better attitude. My attitude toward you is based on what YOU have said from post one on this board. And now you want to turn the tables and make me out to be the hateful one. It won’t work femicide, NO SOUP FOR YOU! I gave up the victim mentality ages ago. You should do the same. And I wouldn't dream of saying to other vets what I say to you. I say what I say to you because of who YOU are. Which is a clueless, self-absorbed hateful ass. I'll say it again. YOU can choose to be a coward or YOU can choose to get off your victim bandwagon and DEAL with what life has dealt you. THEN I could say something other than what I have said to you. I know many injured vets. MANY... and they all respect me and other women, and I them. Get a clue before you ramble insanely. They would also be the first to verbally cream you for your attitudes.
In the end, you cannot justify your inane prattle and hateful, vindictive little outbursts through anything I have posted. Regardless of what I may say here, you are still responsible for what you say and do. Lashing out as you do, trying to impress your cronies with just how "real" and "tell it like it is" you can be is merely an excuse to give yourself license for being a sniveling brat. If your rude, arrogant, obnoxious behavior is an example of being young at heart, and fun loving, I'll pass as well. YOU have chosen to be a bitter old coward and shrivel up into the non-person you are. Like someone very wise said, you need to be in a padded cell closely observed. If you are an example of a 'grown-up', I'll pass. Have fun in your bitter existence. Hey Vlad! *High Five!* :oD Or do you have to be a 54 year-old washed-out loser to truly appreciate your wit and intelligence?
I suppose you'd have to have read the crap Fox posts over time to get the connection. He is virtually ignored though, with the exception of being poked with a stick now and again.
And please don't hurt yourself trying to be nice. As to my intelligence, you just keep thinking whatever you like. I consider it a compliment that you think me stupid. I'd be really worried if you didn't.
You're a hoot! And I knew what Sehlat was from because I am a fan of the Original Series of Star Trek. It's just hilarious that you can't see your own BS. You are a flaming hypocrite. Everything you accuse others of your are guilty of. And it's just a riot to see someone so amazingly out of touch with himself and reality. You're so pathetic you even got our resident liberal, Monica, to psychoanalyze you. I could see her liberal hands wringing from here. lol And the only one who relates to you at all is the resident pedophile Fox. You go guy!
OK, I admit it, I officially have too much time on my hands. Guess Sehlat's name takes on a new meaning for you now doesn't it? :o]
Think again, Femicide. That _is_ something to get upset about. There's a reason you thought your lack of feelings were disturbing. Healthy humans are not wired to become physically intimate with someone without also developing an emotional bond. That's not feminine romance talking, not wishful thinking, but reality. Nobody, male or female, can or should just have sex for the sake of sex with just anyone because of that mind-body connection. To think and act otherwise, well... just look at your own words. That inability to connect emotionally even after physical intimacy is disturbing. I apologize femicide.
I think, this is all I want to say on the issue. I'm not here to swap war stories, nor am I comfortable discussing it. I don't think anyone else wants to "hear" this stuff either.
All in all, the whole summary of things like that is to show how much like prey we are to someone with a gun. All the more reason, we all should be armed. None of these murders would have gotten very far in real firefight. As "MAD" proved, there is nothing like mutual deterrence to keep the peace.
You are right about this objectification thing. I remember, a while back, looking at a woman with whom I had sex, as she dressed to leave, and thinking to myself "What do I really feel about her?" The answer ... she was just "there." Like the furniture was just "there." There is no connection. She is an object moving about the room. I found that interesting, even a little disturbing. I thought about that for a long time, afterwards and decided that's just the way it was. Nothing to get particularly upset about. That doesn't mean, if she were suddenly to start choking I would do nothing because she meant no more to me than a chair. She is still a living creature, moreso a human being, and I would do everything I could to help. If she died or suffered some debilitating brain damage because of the lack of air, I would feel terrible about it, simply because she is a human being. This, unlike if the chair were to catch fire and be damaged beyond repair. That's just unfortunate, but I would not feel all that bad about it, just get another one.
The murder analogy is a bit extreme. I hardly consider sex without emotional bonds in the same light as murder. Of course murder is wrong. Sex without love is not so cut and dried. So, you're not a jug-handle fan? Sehlat, I think you brought up a good point...the only way Femecide can bring love into the sex act is to use "the ole right hand".
If sexual pleasure is all you're after, use the old right hand. If you're just out for your own pleasure when seeking sex, you are no better than the women you condemn. You're every bit as wrong as you think they are. If you don't think so, then you are the real hypocrite. Weapon of choice? My Ruger .45.
Yes you can separate sex and love, but only with a concerted effort or deadening yourself to the emotional side (conscious or unconscious) I think that your separation happened when you where hurt by whatever woman or women, but I could be wrong, but I think you know what I am talking about. This can also accrue by having multiple partners so that eventually it losses all meaning. It is like watching to many gory movies, eventually you become immune to the horror of it (or in sex the emotional affects). Yes, we may also be animals, but we are a higher conscious level than any other animal on this planet. While an animal may have basic emotions, there is no connection sexually, they know only a drive; this is not so with humans. We can reduce it to such, but in humans it is connected with emotions and a connection to your partner, it is more than a drive to reproduce (isn’t that what the modern movement has fought so hard to separate it from?). I hope one day you will begin to notice what is missing and will be able to experience the amazingness of sex in the context that is suppose to be. You like me deserve as much, as does any human.
The idea that you can separate the body from the mind is ridiculous. A person or a human is made up of many parts, but what makes them is everything all together. A body according to grammar may be an object, but because my body is part of who I am does not make me an object, nor does it give anyone the right to see or treat me as such. A person is either an object or they are not. And all people deserve to be given dignity and respect, anything less should be seen as deplorable. You do not go back and forth. My wonderful example, is the racist man who falls in love and marries a black woman. Now if he thinks black people are inferior objects, do you really think that he can truly treat his wife as she deserves. No, I do not think so. They way you view people does not change person to person, the severity does perhaps, but that does not matter in the end. You are still treating people as things. Of, course you state you hate all women and that you use them for the pleasure they give you, so this argument may be useless to you. You obviously see them as objects for use and have no problem with that. Just know that I do, and I will never see it ok for anyone to see me as an object nor treat me as so.
I do not think I am better than you, nor do I believe anyone else does. More educated, yes. You can be open minded and still say that there is a right and wrong. I am willing to listen to others opinions and consider them, but if I know they are wrong, then they are wrong. I know that murder is wrong and even if someone tells me that they think murder is ok, I may listen to what they have to say but at the end, I still know murder is wrong, and therefore, so is their opinion. People are allowed to state their opinion here, but if it is wrong (because there is a right and a wrong) its wrong and people will state it so. That doesn’t mean they did not listen to what was said.
Man, this stuff is hard to say. I thought guns were illegal in Canada?
Whoa.
Also, I wish you would not preface the synopsis of the massacre with how the murdering bastard was "a product of a violent home, failed military candidate and lover of war films." There is NO excuse for such a vile act. I don't buy the implication his poor upbringing is a factor for such unspeakable evil. It's the same mentality that is currently trying to excuse Andrea Yates's. But your last paragraph goes back to how you perceive love. According to your experiences. It would have been acurate had you said, "Finally, let me leave this ... "Love" ... Female Translation according to Adam and many others: "That emotion by which I shall control you." The only pure love is that of a parent for his/her child. Everything else is a muddle of lust, social conditioning, power struggles, and co-dependence".
Yes, life would be simpler were I gay. I'm not, so that's all there is to it. I deal with the dichotomy of this hate-need feeling and move on through life. It's not as simple as you would like to believe in your little corner of the world. have you noticed? Not everyone spews hate towards me in here, regardless of what I say? Carol and Bridget have the class to post without malice, so it IS possible. They don't take cheap shots at every opportunity. They don't make sick references to sheep, nor do they hold themselves out as holier-than-thou, while degrading themselves and me with disgusting remarks. They don't high-five each other every time one makes some schoolyard, infantile, wisecrack.
You said ... "I'll never figure out how people can assume the things they do. Apparently, if I say I believe position X, then I cannot be A, B, or C and I must be D. ... etc." ... I guess things like independent thought and examining issues separately on their own merits never crosses some folks' minds. Whatever!
This only applies to you? It's ok to go on endlessly making [erroneous] assumptions about me?
Finally, let me leave this ... "Love" ... Female Translation: "That emotion by which I shall control you." The only pure love is that of a parent for his/her child. Everything else is a muddle of lust, social conditioning, power struggles, and co-dependence.
Independent thinking...like an alumnus of HAC conversing with a BJU alumnus!! Right?
I've had every label on earth put on me. I've been mistaken online for everything I'm not. I've had people get the sex, ethnic background, sexual orientation, political and religious positions, and everything else completely wrong.
I'll never figure out how people can assume the things they do. Apparently, if I say I believe position X, then I cannot be A, B, or C and I must be D. If I say I believe X and Y, that's contradictory so I can't really believe either one. If I say I believe X and not Y, then I can't really believe X in the first place. If I say I believe X, then I must also believe in Y, Z, and Q ... even though I oppose everything else listed! I guess things like independent thought and examining issues separately on their own merits never crosses some folks' minds. Whatever! :P Sehlat, you have far more patience than I do. I just can't help but laugh at people who are so out of touch with their own dogma and can't see how guilty they are of exactly what they accuse others of.
And I too can relate to the labels... from the left, I'm a 'fundie', from the extreme right, I'm a liberal 'in disguise'... Say huh?
Oh, I needed a morning laugh. Heehee, this is priceless...
I get it all the time. Christian pseudo-fundies call me a theological liberal and everyone else calls me a theological conservative. Certain pro-lifers call me a closet 'bort because I dare to do things like make friends with non-traditional pro-lifers and I'm not afraid to speak up when a pro-lifer does something wrong to an abortion supporter. I've been called feminist and anti-woman, too conservative and not conservative enough. I've been told I'm too bold when standing up for what I believe and not bold enough.
Time to throw the accusers into a room together and let them fight it out. It would be fun to watch ;) Wonder which ones would win?
The "joys" of believing in solid principles without embracing extremes and without refusing to allow people of differing views to meet on common ground. Everyone gets hacked! :P
What I can't figure out is why Mr. Hateful would want to have sex with a woman if he hates all of us so much. Sex is supposed to be an expression of love, not just wham-bam-thankyouma'am. He'd do better to turn gay, buy a sheep, whatever. But no. He prefers to hold on to his hate, spew it somewhere where he knows it will be unwelcome, make some very contradictory remarks, and then use rightfully deserved negative responses to reinforce his false premises about women. Masochist? Sociopathic? Who knows? You were contradictory in both examples. Read it again. You made several general statements about women and then claimed that you don’t generalize women. This was obviously contradictory and no amount of spin from you will change that. You generalized and then said that you didn’t generalize. A contradiction in and of itself.
” Also, hating women does not lead to any sort of insecurity conclusion.”
Actually it stems directly from insecurity, as does most hate.
” Jerry Springer again?”
Hey it worked the first time. And I can count the number of shows I have watched on one hand. Amusing, but they get old fast. And yes I did think up the comment myself. If it has been used here I haven’t seen it. But I’m kinda new here. The fact that people have used it before doesn’t mean that I have seen it and got the idea from it. Another bad assumption on your part. And I never said it was unique to me. I just said I thought it up. There is a difference.
” You're just baiting now.”
Nope, just pointing out what an idiot thing it is to dare someone to prove how you were contradictory after you just contradict yourself.
” Were I not a free thinker, I would go along with all your nonsense.”
No part of your thinking is free. It is all consumed by insecure hatred
I’m no big fan of therapists. But they do have their uses, this seems to be one of them.
Again, seek help. You need it.
In your first example, you are correct. I DID attack the women who run this board, albeit indirectly. Therefore, I was contradictory.
Not so in the second paragraph. I merely gave an example. It was, obviously, not exhaustive, nor was it meant to be what I base all of my opinions. Nowhere in that paragraph did I say it was. Nowhere did I single out a couple of specific individuals, basing what I think on them and them alone. You're really reaching on that one.
Also, hating women does not lead to any sort of insecurity conclusion. Well, not to most, anyway. Generally only to tree hugging, armchair psychologists who engage in crystal gazing and psychobabble spouting.
Jerry Springer again? You watch it too much. You thought it up? It has been used several times in the recent series of post in here. I believe Katie was the first. People use it all the time everywhere, in all posting areas. I hardly think it is unique to you. Gad, what an ego!
"Again, point out where I am contradictory. Can't, can you?" How the hell is THAT sentence contradictory? You're just baiting now.
Were I not a free thinker, I would go along with all your nonsense.
I told you, therapists have onion soup for brains. They actually believe the crap they spout as fact.
Please, continue. I'll be happy to point out your errors.
Some men do suck. Some women do suck (and no Vlad, not in a good way). But I refuse to let the jerky men, like femicide, turn me against all the nice men.
I like men... they are like puppies... sometimes they pee on the floor, but they are sooooooo cute... :oD
This is one of the stupidest remarks I have ever seen. A word of advice, if you are going to dare someone to point out how you may have been contradictory, it helps your case if you don't contradict yourself first. ” You follow the book to the letter”
Which books is that?? Thinking freely and not having a hatred towards women??? You could use some free thinking yourself.
You are really one to talk about making misleading accusations. You have a deep seeded hated for women and you use your own little brand of circular logic to back it up. You haven’t used one fact obviously because you can’t. No facts can be brought to back up generalizations. You claim to be experienced, The Jerry Springer show doesn’t count.
Seek psychiatric help.
It is you that have no basis for the accusations you make. It is you that has the dark soul... it is you that can't see the hypocrisy in your statements... and it's amazing that you take yourself sooooo seriously and can't imagine why no one else does.
Btw - your comments are so predictable at this point, you're not even fun to play with any more. 1)”Don't believe a word these individuals say. These women, as the women who run similar web sites, are trying to suck you in by agreeing with fundamental truths men espose. Remember, these women still call themselves feminists. Feminists of ANY ilk are incapable of being truthful and will stop at nothing to squirm their way into your good graces. Never believe or trust women.”
”Joy, read my post again. I insulted no one. I attacked no one specifically.”
2)” . In some ways I respect those morons more as they are, at least, up-front with their trumpted-up hatred. To set things straight, (every pun intended) I am quite heterosexual. Being an dedicated mysoginist doesn't keep me from having sex with women”,” Oh, and I don't hate women. I loathe them.”,” Some women are clever, all women are manipulative.”,”
Evil? Cute and innocent when they're little, females change when they learn they can get what they want by using the lure of sex. Don't deny it. Women do it all the time, especially when young. It's power and they abuse it. Sometimes I think, while God created men in His image, Satan created women in her image in retaliation.”
”I don't generalize all women based on the actions of a few”
Shall I keep going?? You were half right on one statement, it is stupid to generalize all women based on the actions of a few, but this is what you did, which point s to another way you contradicted yourself. Just because you are so completely insecure in yourself that YOU hate women, don’t think we’ll buy into your rants. That would be REALLY stupid.
I didn't actually say you were a pedophile... That's why I separated the comments with a period. I was informing YOU that Fox is a pedophile. But you and Fox do have a lot in common. A LOT... Fox, you are a disgusting pervert pedophilic a-hole. Go play with femicide. I think the two of you would get along great.
Of course, I don't fathom relationships either. To me, an ongoing, intimate relationship with a woman is a cage. Those in the relationship cage seem to spend a lot of time telling themselves how nice it is to be locked inside. They seem to have "settled." They seem to say, "OK, this one is good enough, I'll just stop trying." No, once that happens, you are just marking time, waiting to die.
I hardly think it's right to lump me in with child molesters. What I advocate is neither illegal nor is it immoral. My first post had nothing to do with the hatred of women, just the distrust of feminists of all kinds. Had that issue been addressed alone, leaving my personal preferences out of things, none of this would have come out. You may not like what I say, but I will never lie or cover over anything with platitudes.
Screen names reflect an attitude, not a literal act. Why not ban Vlad for his name. After all Vlad was one of the worst mass murders in history. The name Vlad has become synonymous with torture and painful death. Vlad is not out impaling people, nor am I out killing women. Perhaps you could also express your disgust to the name to the all-girl group of the same name as it bothers you so much. Otherwise, get a grip.
Really turned loose on me? Careful, your true self might come out. Wouldn't want that. Better to maintain your current holier-than-thou bearing.
Finally, why don't you just ignore my posts? Isn't that the simplest solution?
I don't pretend to be nice to people who already decided in advance they hate me before they've even talked to me. I save my niceness for people who deserve it and people who may be persuaded to change their minds. You've already made up your mind, so what is the use? You're so hateful that you'd have insulted me had I been nice and "tolerant" of your "views".
Talk about hateful, reread what YOU said and get back to me on the subject of hate. I've yet to call anyone here by any sort of hateful name.
At least I don't go around saying I hate half the population just because one didn't like me somewhere in the distant past! I don't even hate you. I pity you. I feel sorry for you. I wouldn't let any of my female friends anywhere near you. I hope you get help. But I don't hate you. As your attitude stands now, hating you is not worth that much effort.
You say you "loathe" women. That's worse than anything I said to you. At least I aimed my strong words at a single target who deserved it -- you -- and not at every man in the world. I like men and don't blame them all when one acts up. I'm not ditching my SO or my close friends because of your stinking attitude, IOW. Oh yeah... when I say men, I mean grown-up ones with a sense of decency, not the juvenile-acting whiners masquerading as men.
Also, thus far, at least, the managers of this site do not take your "Love it or leave it" attitude.
So she's more tolerant of you than I am. I save my tolerance for decent opponents and for the undecided. You're neither.
As I understand this board, it is for a diverse set of opinions, not just the specific ones with which you may agree.
I can tell you didn't read much of the guestbook, Hateful One. I've got a reputation for being a little _too_ tolerant of some very decent members of the left wing (I'm definitely not left-wing), and I've taken some heavy heat for it. Differing opinions from decent people who just happen to disagree are one thing... they're completely welcome. Some of the nicest people we've had around have been leftist in their politics... LeftOut, Alternative Lifers, etc. Love 'em. They rock. Coming in here and spouting your hate instead of doing something constructive? Different story.
When they decide to ban me, I'll be gone. Of course that would also mean they are hypocrites, but that would be par for the course.
No, they wouldn't be. There's a difference between reasonable dissent and the garbage you're spewing. You're a woman-hater by your own admission. Therefore, you really have no use for us, this site, or anything else connected to us. Why waste your time since you think you're so freaking superior and we do not deserve to exist (according to your chosen handle)? Are we hypocrites for banning a known supporter of child rape? No, because we've been pretty clear in our stand against child molesters. It would not be hypocrisy to ban someone who uses a handle that means "the killing of females".
I find women's groups tend to spout an all encompassing point of view until someone really tests them. Suddenly it all falls by the wayside.
You didn't read this site at all! Figures. This is not an all-encompassing site by any means. We regulars are generally conservative, right-to-life, and pro-free market. Reasonable dissenters welcome, of course, but we don't pretend to embrace all views. We wouldn't accept a radical abortion supporter's manifesto or a communist's view of the market. We sure don't need to take any garbage from someone spewing hatred for an entire class of people, like racists -- or you. Just like the good old days! dom didda dom! **bowing head in shame** Will you people quit posting (huh-huh) so I can leave???? Is there anyone in your life that takes you seriously? Clever, but Capt. "O" was commenting on Femecide making fun of little post. It's all HIS fault! Here! HAve another silly post! Such is called "Flame Bait" to be taken or ignored. The goal is to get "reasonable" people to respond and say "why am I even responding?" because they cant resist telling them they cant believe they are really serious, but perhaps maybe are and dont realize how they come across. Kind of like JCE111 Pinhead, etc. who posts for shock to get people riled and talking all only about *him*. Perhaps the best way is to delete or ignore and encourage others likewise, thus boring the baiter into greener pastures... I gotta go to work, leave me alone!! ***blushing with honor, kneeling before the Queen's throne, being knighted Capt. Obvious, earning my cape!*** Dom didda DOM! The sky is blue. Dom didda DOM!!! (Psssssssst Vlad... you posted as Vlad under the same IP at the OTHER guestbook...) I can't be Capt. Obvious any more? You're the owner, I guess I will think of another name. Capt. Obvious is so fitting, though. Would you reconsider? **hanging head** I can't believe I said that. What are all of the little Obvious-sters and -ettes going to think?
Oh, oh de-ah! I am just a whick-ed, ev-il woman! Whatev-ah am ah gonna do-o? Save me Capt. Obvious!
As for my husband agreeing with me, he held the position I state earlier long before he met me. We were friends before ever thinking about romance and we had many long discussions about many things, none where he felt obligated to “keep the peace.” As of now he does not agree with anything to “keep the peace,” we do not agree on anything and we always have good intellectually stimulating conversations trying to figure out the right of things. That’s the cool thing about a healthy, loving relationship, you can talk about anything, and you never feel the need to lie about how you feel. Also my husband thinks porn is disgusting; once again this was a position held long before we met and known before we became romantically involved. It was one of the things that attracted me too him, that he truly respected woman and all humans. Do body parts turn him on? Sure the mechanics of the male body says so. But porn disgusts him so much that it does not stimulated him in any way, he’s more likely to sick up. Besides being somewhat stimulated by a body part and truly being turned on sexually are two totally different things. Unless of course you decide that all women are parts and that’s what gets you off.
What do I offer my husband that no man can? Undying love and commitment (though if he where gay I suppose he would of found a man who would be what I am) that you do not find in a mere friendship. I suppose with your view of relationships you cannot truly understand, but our relationship is much stronger and deeper than anything I ever experienced before marrying my husband. My husband has eyes only for me and that’s the truth. And I him. There is no manipulation, no forcing opinions, only communication, love and commitment. And since my husband did not “get into my panties” before we married, why do you think he ever had anything to do with me at first? He could have gotten it elsewhere. Maybe it is because you are wrong. Try working past your past relationships and realize that though some women are manipulative there are woman who are not. And even if woman are it does not make it ok for you to make them objects for your pleasure.
***Sticking out chest, teeth glisten, chin stuck out, tights on*** Trumpets and french horns: "Dom didda dom!! Hahahahhhhaaaa... chuckle... hahahahaHAHAHahahah... Oh dear... sniff... chuckle... Oh, let me catch my breath...
You are a walking hateful name, you're just too stupid to see it. And that's why you're not being taken seriously. You take hypocrisy to the next level. lol
Wow! Nick, your mother, daughter and wife are females, what a revelation. Thank you Capt. Obvious.
Now, there's a coincidence, Aaron, I was thinking it was you folks who were beyond help.
Vlad, It's good to see the Grammar Police is on the job. Perhaps you could take things to the next step and point out my typos and grammar mistakes. That would be ever so helpful. Otherwise, how about saying something useful as opposed to cheap shots.
Gee, Sehlat, those comments will really change my opinion of women. Thank you for reinforcing my view of them. Talk about hateful, reread what YOU said and get back to me on the subject of hate. I've yet to call anyone here by any sort of hateful name. Also, thus far, at least, the managers of this site do not take your "Love it or leave it" attitude. As I understand this board, it is for a diverse set of opinions, not just the specific ones with which you may agree. When they decide to ban me, I'll be gone. Of course that would also mean they are hypocrites, but that would be par for the course. I find women's groups tend to spout an all encompassing point of view until someone really tests them. Suddenly it all falls by the wayside.
Let me get this straight... this hateful jerk whose name means "the killing of females" loathes women, but he sticks around the site anyway. Must be a masochist.
He says women are so controlling and men are so weak... I must just be lucky because I know plenty of MEN (not whiners with willies) who are truly emotionally strong.
I'd like to know why the controlling gene skipped me if it's supposed to be in all of us women. I don't control people, I don't know how, and I don't need to. I find ways to get what I need done without resorting to any manipulation or other crap. In fact, I usually whip out my multi-tools or hop online and take care of the important stuff myself.
Wah, wah, Femicide. One woman or maybe two burned you, and now you loathe us all. It's never going to get any better for you either as long as you act like such a hateful loser. Change your stinking attitude or get away from us, because we will not take your bitter whines. We can do better. We know what real MEN of strength and decency are. You're not it. Get right or get out. There's one little lady I will let manipulate me any way she likes! Is that the admission you were looking for? Admitted! Oh No!! They're coming to take me away Ho Ho He He Ha Ha to the funny farm! Now that that's settled the world will be a much better place.
HAMMOCK PILE! :oD I don't deny it. I just resent it. Aaron, wipe that silly grin off your face! :o] I think I'm getting the better end of the deal here.
*Runs off to shave my pits.* MWWaaahHHHaaahahhhhaaa! resistance is futile... you shall all be absorbed... (eyes flicker evilly)
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Bonnie, if you ever read this, I would suggest maybe typing your invalidations or articles on a typewriter (do they still make them?). Then use some good text-recognition software then paste it to where ever you need it. I downloaded a good program from CNET, just search for "Text Recognition"...it works great. Hope this helps. Good to hear from you again, Percy!
I do not hate men, actually I am happily married and my husband shares my views on this subject completely. Does that make him a crazy feminist as well? I’ll be honest and admit that I am a member of the feminists for life, but only because they see the whole issue behind abortion and what the problem truly is that women face to day. They offer solutions that can actually fix the problem not just cover it up, like those pushed by NOW and other screwed up feminist organizations. I go out of my way not be label a feminist so as not to be associate with NOW and the like. I hate labels of all kinds to be honest. The only label I apply to myself is intelligent and worthy of respect from everyone (as I respect all others as well). If that makes me a feminist in your eyes, then so be it, but I ask that you be not so quick to ignore what I have to say. Otherwise I will label you the evil man because you purposely have chosen ignorance, and that is an evil path to choose.
I'll take my chances. It is better than the alternative, isn't it Adam?
(and I thought maybe femecide was a 'personal care' product he was fond of) Egads... some people are stranger than others... :oD New Adam - pull your undies out of your butt, you'll be more comfortable. And shave that back of yours! Sheeesh... I shave because I don't like it. I guess I must be brainwashed. Oh well. :o] This will be my last post in the Guestbook for a long time. I am very ill. I will try to pen articles as long as I can, but it looks grim. I pray I don't have to close my website.
I went for a medical test in which I was exposed to intense levels of UVA and UVB light with just a pillowcase on my face for protection, and goggles for my eyes. Now I am worse. The purpose of the test was to find out why I was having such extreme sensitivity to computer and fluorescent light. Instead, I went back the next day and the doctor said I had a "negative" reaction.
He was wrong. Last night my face was on fire - again - just like in September. This morning, I woke up and my face was dark tan, brittle, and burning, with a rubbery feel and aching in the bones. Right now, as I right this, my eyes are burning also. I am in agony and took some painkillers. Hopefully, that will help. But I can't stay in front of this screen anymore, even with an anti-glare and anti-radiation filter from 3M. Nothing helps. I tried typing with the screen off, but it is almost impossible to do. I can write my articles in long-hand, and then have my husband type it. That may be my only choice. I have electro- sensitivity.
I want you all to know that I enjoyed invalidating while it lasted, and I never meant any harm. It was all in good fun. That goes for you, Bridget, and Fox, and "Queen Vic" and everyone else.
If anyone wants to contact me, I can be reached by E-mail at LOTEKCHOW@aol.com. I will try to pick up my mail daily, while I can, or my husband will do it. If I have to give up writing it will destroy me. I am contacting that organization in Sweden that deals with electrical sensitivity,
www.feb.se.
I have a broken metal rod in my spine from my scoliosis surgery, and I'm wondering if that could somehow have started this problem I'm having with light and sensitivity. I don't know.
Anyway, thanks so much for your support. What I need now are your prayers. Please pray for me, for writing is my life. If I have to stop forever, I don't know what I'll do.
Thanks, and G-d bless you all. Hello, Nick!
Why should I invalidate? I agree with you. I've always been known for my gorgeous shapely long legs, and fortunately, I was never considered hirusite. But if I were, I'd be shaving my legs every day. As it is, I keep 'em smooth as silk.
Treatments are horrendous. I was in the hospital two days this week, and had the phototesting. They threw me in a chamber filled with high-intensity UVA/UVB bulbs, locked the door, threw the switch and shot tons light into my butt (isn't that great?) to test for reactions or hives. The area tested is - get this - my butt. But, instead of focusing the light on that single area, the light is shot into your entire body! The chamber heats up to about 90 degrees. You are protected with goggles on your eyes, and they throw a sheet over your head to protect your face. I looked like an Afghanistan woman. To make matters worse, from the heat and light, my face was red as hell when I got out of there!
Well, I had no reaction the next day and they sent me home. But I had a DELAYED reaction and last night I was on fire. Hey, you INVALIDATOR-HATERS, you must be lovin' this!
Anyway, my face burns like the dickens every time I go in front of my computer, and my skin dries out. I know what's wrong, you can find it at the following website:
www.feb.se. I have screen dermatitis and electrical sensitivity and there's no cure, and it's getting worse. I may have to close my website, I won't be writing too many articles anymore and forget about invalidating! I can't stay online because my face is burning up. Life sucks and then you fry.
Anyway, my face is looking much better overall, thanks, because I stay offline alot more now.
Thanks for your concern Nick. Hey, what's your e-mail address?
Chuck
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 20:42:15 (EST) from A010-0774.CLMB.splitrock.net
Partly because they post a lot, but mostly because they try intimidation when they don't get their way. They bait me, and when I rise to the bait, they begin their campaign of belittlement. It's all they know. I have not falsly accused anyone of heinous crimes on this board. I have not tried to drive anyone off. I have never even asked anyone to leave. I have taken over nothing. As I said, I rarely post without it being a response. I would hardly call that taking over. I have said, repeatedly, all they have to do is stop baiting me and it ends. They can't do it. They keep the board filled with little, inane posts that take forever to wade through. I have posted only a faction of what this group has. Only a fraction of what even it's most "vocal" member or two have. Do a count. I hardly consider that "taking over." or even posting a lot.
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 20:03:18 (EST) from adsl-156-181-40.gsp.bellsouth.net
Has it escaped your notice that a certain few posters have essentially taken over this board.
Taken over? You mean they post a lot - like you do? If they have "taken over" then so have you.
Anyone they do not like they vilify and do
their best to run off by intimidation, false accusations, and belittlement.
Now that's funny. You come stomping in here, insulting me (which you have the right to do), accusing ALL women of quite a lot of things, and yes, vilfiying women as a whole and if anyone responds with the same passion, you get annoyed. Now why is that?
Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 19:40:47 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Carolyn, it wasn't a suggestion. It was another excuse to "dig" from another of the group who get enjoyment from it. I responded to her inaccurate portrayal of me more than anything else. The lockstep thing was just a return dig.
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 19:35:48 (EST) from adsl-156-182-95.gsp.bellsouth.net
I'm also having server problems, but on Carolyn GB
Chuck
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 19:30:39 (EST) from A020-0157.CLMB.splitrock.net
This is a Test....I was having server problems.
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 18:58:28 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Yes, you tell 'em Monica. Everyone must fall into lockstep behind you and the other squeaky wheels in here
Oh come ON! Are you saying someone can't make a suggestion? What if some wonderful male suggested that your beliefs were on target and we should listen to you more, and we screeched "Oh so now you expect us to fall into lockstep behind you!" No doubt you would jump on us for jumping on someone just because he didn't agree with many people here. So why can't Monica make a suggestion?
Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 17:00:50 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
I'm only partially through all this - one thing:
How about the women who moan about domestic abuse, yet think nothing of starting the fight (physically) in the first place?
Abuse against women was ignored for years --it was amost acceptable to beat your wife to "keep her in her place." (keep reading before you pounce) We now have more awareness regarding physical abuse against women, BUT, yes, very often, male physical abuse is ignored. That's wrong. The Indpendent Womens Forum has published information about how assaults on men by women have been ignored (but I am sure the IWF had some anti-male motive to publishing this, right Femicide?)
I know personally a man who was being hit over and over again by his significant other in a parking lot. He would not hit back but did put his hands up to block himself, and then tried to push her away. She fell, and some guys saw and came over. She started wailing that she was being beaten and the guys went after the man! That PISSED ME OFF.
Women should not hit men. Men should not hit women! We should NOT ignore the many many women who are abused, who are told that they "asked for it" or that they shoul dbe "smacked around" to keep them in line. However, we can't ignore the other side either. Just because some women may feel it is acceptable for women to hit men but not vice versa, doesn't mean we all think that, no more than all men thinkwomen deserve a good beating just because some men believe that.
Carolyn
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 16:55:50 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
You better watch out...Carolyn's comin'...be warned.
Nick
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 16:01:52 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Deny and evade direct questions. Typical Joyless tactic. You did bring it up, but to prove it I would have to dredge up things from your board. It's not worth it. Thing I have to ask is ... if you continue to post to me in here, why did you even open the other board? Whoops, a direct question. Ah well, it's worth a try.
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 14:42:53 (EST) from adsl-20-146-90.gsp.bellsouth.net
Joy: How sad is it that a woman would see a baby as nothing more than a parasite? Pook: If there's any comfort in it, the woman who made that statement had her tubes tied a long
time ago.
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 14:34:54 (EST) from 0-1pool119-159.nas2.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
"An issue you brought up, not me." Wrong again. :o]
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 14:07:20 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.106.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joyless, I know that wasn't the "point." The spelling was a side issue. An issue you brought up, not me. Play your little juvenile games if you like. Party on, whatever I merely was curious why you spelled it as you did. If it helps your ego to make some sort of issue of it, fine. You usually blow things all out of proportion. At least you have admitted what you do is simply bait people to get a response. Figures. By the way, just what IS the "point" as you see it? Can you give me a straight answer or do I have to wade through your usual BS first?
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 14:05:27 (EST) from adsl-156-181-140.gsp.bellsouth.net
Let me add one more thing about DiFranco....
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 11:49:08 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Melissa -- I know every song Ani DiFranco has ever released. And you're slightly mistaken. The Slepian/King reference you made does not really compare Slepian to King. The song is (kind of) about Slepian, and King is mentioned, but not comparing the two. And I don't know which song you're thinking of where you say she celebrates her abortion. There is a song called "Lost Woman Song" and a poem called "Tiptoe," both of which mention her abortion. But not in a celebratory fashion.
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 11:44:58 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Joy, I was wondering what that "Wayne's World sign" thing was all about...clever ***high five***.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 09:24:56 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
She wanted to shout it from the rooftops? Wow... that is just evil. Not even a hint of remorse... or just sadness or anything...
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 00:35:06 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.34.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Pook, if you think that parasite remark is bad, there's a folksinger named Ani DiFranco who wrote a song celebrating her abortion, and another one comparing Barnett Slepian to Martin Luther King. No, I'm not making this up. And Gloria Steinem said that when she had her abortion she was so happy that she felt like "shouting it from the rooftops." My daughter's birth was one of the most amazing (albeit painful) experiences of my life, even though the pregnancy was unplanned. She's thirteen now and it's been wonderful to watch her turn from a helpless infant to a beautiful, intelligent young lady. There's been times when I've been so down I thought I couldn't go on, and it's my love for my children that saved me. I just don't see how anyone can feel that way, it's so sad.
Melissa
Phila, PA USA - Tuesday, December 18, 2001 at 00:27:51 (EST) from 0-1pool156-138.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
"So, Joyless, why did you spell it "homocide" in your post? A dig at gays?"
Joy
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 23:53:16 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.34.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Saw this while browsing around FreeRepublic....thought you all might like to read....(I haven't finished reading it yet!).
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 23:17:48 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
The sperm cell is alive. The egg cell is alive. When the two meet, how could the result be anything BUT life?
Fox
- Monday, December 17, 2001 at 23:10:45 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
How sad is it that a woman would see a baby as nothing more than a parasite? How out of touch with her own being is she that she would see it this way?
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 20:32:59 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Dear Mr. Bin Laden,
Your friend, Femicide, is very interested in coming to visit you AND we are taking-up a collection to pay his Air-fare. But, we need your EXACT Latitude and Longitude in order to make sure that he can find you. Please give us that information and we will be flying your buddy over to see you, very soon.
Thank You.
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 20:13:26 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Heh heh heh...he said homo-cide...heh heh heh...cool.
Beavis
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 20:08:27 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Too late Melissa, In effect, you just did.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 19:16:35 (EST) from adsl-156-180-44.gsp.bellsouth.net
Help! My resolve is weakening. Must...resist...urge...to...respond...to...Femicide...
Melissa
Philly, USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 19:09:07 (EST) from 0-1pool156-26.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Hey! Wait a min. I did NOT spell Homicide wrong in my posts on the other board. I just went back and checked. So, Joyless, why did you spell it "homocide" in your post? A dig at gays?
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 18:45:58 (EST) from adsl-78-167-138.gsp.bellsouth.net
Ok, so I spelled homicide wrong previously. I corrected it in the subsequent post to which you refer. What I get for forgoing the spell check. Why did you open that site if you are still going to dredge things up from it in here? Perhaps because you incapable of forgoing your little digs, even for a misspelling Typical anal retentive behavior. You can't even thank someone graciously.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 18:26:11 (EST) from adsl-156-182-10.gsp.bellsouth.net
Dear Femicide,
I really do enjoy reading your insightful and interesting posts. We think very much alike and I hope to get to meet you in person some day. I have spoken with the council of Mullahs, and have convinced them to name you as a Righteous Ally in our Jihad. When we return to power, I hope to hire you as our Minister of Propaganda, because we greatly admire your reasoning abilities and powers of persuasion. The prophet has willed it and so it shall be.
Allah Al'Ahkbar
Your Friend and Admirer,
Benny
PS - Please let me know ahead of time, when you can come and visit, as I will prepare some entertainment for you; something interesting, like the execution of an enemy of Islam or the beheading of infidels.
Osama Bin Laden
Peshawar, Pakistan USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 17:26:31 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Yes, thank you for correcting me that homocide does not mean murder. (may the reader decide which Wayne's World sign to hold up)
Joy
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 16:43:03 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.232.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Once again, Joy, you delight in making baseless accusations. Please show me where I said all women should be killed. And don't use the flimsy reasoning of my nick name. To being with, it merely reflects an attitude, not a literal act. Second, it does NOT mean kill all women, but instead would refer to the killing on a given individual. A term like Gendercide would refer to the killing of an entire gender. That, by the way is an actual term coined by a writer who's name escapes me. As usual you like to take an obscure reference and blow it all out of proportion. Also, we are hardly "discussing" anything. Also, as usual, you are making wild accusations and I am trying to point out where you are incorrect. I also corrected your erroneous "definition" on your board. Perhaps you should "check that out." Not that it'll phase you. Facts being irrelevant to you.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 16:02:17 (EST) from adsl-20-145-27.mem.bellsouth.net
No Sehlat. Read it again. I said in the most BASIC sense women were all alike. I also, clearly said, outwardly they are very diverse. I even listed examples of this diversity. It is not both ways. Nothing is that cut and dried. I explained that.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 15:33:58 (EST) from adsl-78-167-120.gsp.bellsouth.net
Great site! As a minority I have always been interested in the problems of minorities, especially the causes. I am particularly interested in ethnic conflicts, such as in Northern Ireland and have concluded that all such conflicts have a common underlying factor, whether it is in East Timor, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mindanao, Somali, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Tibet, Chechnya, Fiji, etc. All the minority groups are experiencing the same underlying problem which has in turn resulted in the common desire for independence, regardless of the geographic location or culture of these minority groups. I have created a web page in which I express my belief as to what this underlying cause is. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.
A.M. Goto <amgoto@email.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 13:34:45 (EST) from 198.94.221.126
What I noticed was that he thinks women are so different than men that we should all be killed... but then thinks we should be treated equally under the law... strange machinations go on in that guys head.
Joy
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 12:26:50 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.108.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
While they couldn't answer my question, their argument was still "Well it's
not a sentient being yet....
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 12:25:26 (EST) from 0-1pool118-138.nas2.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
OOOh! OOOh! Does that mean we can now kill everyone on Welfare? Or anyone who gets help of any kind... just start calling em parasites and kill them!
Joy
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 12:21:28 (EST) from dialup-64.158.85.108.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Did anyone else catch this? Earlier, the resident woman-loather said all women were alike, and then he tried to take down Chuck by saying all women were not alike. Can't have it both ways!
Sehlat
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 12:15:11 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Since the "pro-choice" idiot that you were debating indicated that it is OK to kill "parasites"; that should include many demonratic voters and members of liberal advocacy groups. They are parasites that must feed-off of a host.
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 10:25:46 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Pook,
That just goes to show, you should avoid having arguments with fools.
It is a waste of your time and you only succeed in annoying the fool.
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 10:09:01 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
One more thing, PLM --
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 09:57:24 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
PLM, I tried using that tactic with some hard core radical choicists. The "if it doesn't begin at conception when does it begin?" tactic. While they couldn't answer my question, their argument was still "Well it's not a sentient being yet....it doesn't care whether it lives or dies....it doesn't know anything...it feels no pain....blah blah blah."
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 09:44:15 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Here is some advice to lifers when debating choicists:
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 09:38:41 (EST) from 0-1pool118-138.nas2.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
I was referring to Emil Muzz, the Pagan from the movie remake of "Dragnet".
He was certainly not "good people". He tried to drown Dan Akroyd, Tom Hanks, and the virgin Connie Swail in a pit of water with a huge python.
I've never heard of Jeff the Pagan.
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 09:37:55 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"Hey now....don't be ragging on Jeff the Pagan"
Yeah what pook said!!!
Jeff is good people!
Rad
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 01:56:49 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Hey now....don't be ragging on Jeff the Pagan....I miss that guy! (And yes, I'm being serious, in case anyone was wondering) :-)
Repunklican Pook
L.G., WI USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 00:59:23 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Gotta watch those New Jersy Pagans...They're the worse kind.
P.A.G.A.N. - people against goodness and normalcy.
Hey Dungbeatle (fox), if you are nice to him, maybe he'll let you borrow his goat suit.
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 17, 2001 at 00:50:12 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
There really WAS a witch (or more accurately, a warlock) posting on Carolyn's site for a time. He was a pagan from New Jersey. Strangely, most of the people around here were cool with that.
Fox
- Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 23:49:37 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
When exactly did you start practicing witchcraft and communing with Satan?
If you are to save yourself you will have to name others.
Rev. Vlad the Acuser
Salem, MA The Colonies - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 18:37:08 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Darn, Vlad you missed your calling. They could have used you at the witch trials.
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 17:36:00 (EST) from adsl-20-147-110.gsp.bellsouth.net
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
The inflatable girl thing seems to have struck a nerve.
(The proper PC term is "Collapsible-Companions" or "Polystyrene-Partners". I hope no one in the Vinyl-American community was offended).
It is not too much of a stretch (pardon the pun) to assume that someone as charming as Feminoid would have to resort to a mail-order bride of the aerated variety.
besides, it could hardly be considered "juvenile humor" since the subject is commonly broached on prime-time TV comedies, like "the Simpsons" and "Married With Children". (Ooops, I think that I just undermined my own point)
Vlad the Grown-up
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 16:17:54 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Vlad, doesn't matter what your situation. How many kids you've had, whatever. When you act like a child, you are treated like a child. Thus my admonishment to "grow up." Now, grow up and get over inflatable dolls and other juvenile "humor" and maybe you won't see it so much.
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 16:01:57 (EST) from adsl-156-181-40.gsp.bellsouth.net
Excuse, please...I should have prefaced that with..."a NORMAL adult relationship..."
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 15:59:01 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
I just find lots of humor potential in a 53-54 year-old burnout who is incapable of an adult relationship with an actual woman, telling all of the rest of us (who are happily married Daddies & Mommies) to "grow up".
I'm not sure whether it could be classified as "pathos" or pathetic.
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 15:52:39 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Well, well, Vlad the impotent surfaces to dredge up yet another trite, hackneyed reference to blow up dolls. What's with you? I believe Joy, and even Matt now, have gotten the idea. What part of "Stop posting to me or about me and I'll stop posting in kind" don't you understand?
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 15:26:57 (EST) from adsl-156-181-88.gsp.bellsouth.net
Yup, that Femirid sounds like a real ladie's man.
Only an expert, like him, could keep straight which of his many inflatable girlfriends like the rough-stuff and which don't.
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 10:48:08 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
(Femecide "ignore" switch turned on)
Matt
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 03:04:49 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Read it again, stupid. This time TRY to read what I actually wrote. Apparently I have to explain things to you in detail so you can comprehend. NOWHERE did I say she left right after sex. I said we had sex and I was watching her get dressed. She left the next morning. It is merely your [erroneous] assumption she left right afterwards. Don't put things into what I said that were never there. That's juvenile and deceptive. Oh, that's right, I'm talking to Matt. That's normal for you and your ilk.
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 02:29:26 (EST) from adsl-20-147-165.gsp.bellsouth.net
(Femecide "Ignore" switch turned off)
Matt
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 01:26:14 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Well, Matt, I see Joy is not the only idiot prone to wild, baseless accusations. What I described was decidedly NOT a "rape fantasy," nor was it done with a prostitute. There is no such thing as a rape fantasy. Women do not have a fantasy about being raped. Women do have a fantasy of being "taken" in a sexually charged situation, not raped. Get a little common sense. If you want me to lose interest, don't make asinine accusations or jump to moronic conclusions. Of course, I'll bet if your mind doesn't jump to conclusions it doesn't move at all. There has been no "reason" in most of the posts towards me. Just like yours, they are designed to little more than incite. Being labeled a psycho, and a rapist may seem like little insults to you, but not to me. Of course if you ARE both of those things then I guess it would not bother you.
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 00:01:11 (EST) from adsl-78-167-59.gsp.bellsouth.net
Sorry, no, "Femecide" don't flatter yourself. I had never visited that guestbook before, but thought I'd check out another example of your inappropriate behavior when Carolyn mentioned it. I guess I'm one of the mostly silent readers you alluded to earlier - and no I do not accept your warped view on women. I've been reading / posting here for several years, and I'm sure I'll be here when you've finally lost interest - which I hope is soon. I won't bother to spell it all out - you've proven beyond all doubt that you have some serious issues to deal with, and that you refuse to listen to reason. I've never heard such whining over a little insult or two! I could say a lot more, but I don't want to hurt the little baby's feelings. Once again, I vote for "ignore." BTW - if you don't want to be called a rapist, then don't reveal your little rape fantasies with prostitutes in a public forum.
Matt
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 22:16:05 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
That's corrEspondence...
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 17:26:49 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.40.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
In order to address certain issues with a certain person... I have reopened a message board. I am asking that all corrospondence with femecide or fox be taken there in respect for Carolyn.
Joy <joymeister@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 17:26:10 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.40.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
My goodness Matt, are you following me around? Anyway, my saying "get over it" in terms of an entire race of people is quite different from your indication I should just get over it. To begin with, those people got over "it" as a collective. No one person got over anything. As you may have noted from that board, there are still people of the race in question who have STILL not gotten over it, a hundred years later. It's one thing for a race of people to get over something their ancestors experienced many years ago, and quite another for a single individual who is still living a given set of experiences to do the same in a finite lifetime. To have told those people to just get over it at the time they were being so horribly treated would have been ludicrous. Now, however, to have their decedents still complaining about how their ancestors were treated and use it as the basis for ongoing problems they suffer today is equally as ludicrous. In my case, if attitude towards women were based on something one of my ancestors suffered, you would be right to say just get over it. That's not the situation.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 14:30:34 (EST) from adsl-20-144-39.mem.bellsouth.net
Posted by Femecide on another guestbook:
Matt
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 02:51:15 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Don't get too upset about Femecide. He just wants to create controversy. He probably doesn't believe what he's saying. As for the Bin Laden tape...I'll wait for the DVD. Maybe it will be available in a Special Edition Director's Cut.
Fox
- Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 02:28:16 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
I'm surprised that no one has commented on the bin Laden tape. When I saw that evil SOB laughing about the unbelievable destruction he caused, I was seized with a mix of anger, sadness, and a feeling of helplessness -- just like I felt on September 11th. I wonder if we'll ever capture this scum and give him what he deserves. I can't imagine what the relatives of those killed on September 11th must feel. Kinda makes us put all our petty squabbles in perspective, huh? (HINT, HINT . . .)
Melissa (can't we all just get along?)
Philly, USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:39:09 (EST) from 0-1pool157-13.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
See what I mean, Chuck? You ask a straightforward question and Joyless can't wait to get in another dig.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 01:10:24 (EST) from adsl-20-146-161.gsp.bellsouth.net
Chuck - I am now totally convinced that he is incapable of rational thought. All of us have said the same things to him in a million different ways and he still doesn't get it. He's a very sick puppy... in desperate need of psychiatric help. Chances are he'll never get it. Because he can't see just how sick he really is. This is really quite sad while also being quite disturbing.
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 00:48:23 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.107.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"Therefore, you are only criticizing them for hypocrisy, not their hatred."
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 00:43:47 (EST) from adsl-20-146-211.gsp.bellsouth.net
I want to make sure I get this right,,You called them liars, & then you are chastised for hate.
You are not a hypocrite because you don't chastise them for hate, in fact you believe in hate. Therefore, you are only criticizing them for hypocrisy, not their hatred.
Chuck
USA - Saturday, December 15, 2001 at 00:04:13 (EST) from A010-0471.CLMB.splitrock.net
Chuck, you know little about women. Not all women are the submissive little ladies you are used to. Many are aggressive and have no problem with some excitement in their lives. Many LIKE taking chances. And they do not judge me solely on my attitude to their gender. They are not single issue individuals. Nasty games? What a sheltered life you have led. You have no idea the "games" some women are into. Some are downright fatalistic. Too weird even for me. Sex can be an adventure or it can be same old same old. Some women prefer the adventure, risks and all.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 23:48:00 (EST) from adsl-78-166-233.gsp.bellsouth.net
Let one of the silent ones speak:
You created the issue & you set the tone. I'll just be a lot happier when it (and you) all goes away. However I digress. Most of the posts in response to you have just used the same issue & tone you set. Insulting people who other people consider friends, like the people who founded & contribute to this site, will generate the responses you got.
That is what you are doing. You appear to think it is OK for you to express yourself with animosity, yet you criticize others for doing the same.
L8r
Chuck
Chuck
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 23:01:50 (EST) from A010-0471.CLMB.splitrock.net
Here's a very informative site about police.
Click Here
- Friday, December 14, 2001 at 22:07:31 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
PLM, I'm glad to hear that you are volunteering at a CPC. The 'borts are saying that we try to "mislead women," but most CPC's are pretty upfront about what they do. What do these idiots think is listed under the "Abortion Alternatives" section in the yellow pages? I once heard a 'bort on public radio say that we "force" women to go through natural childbirth (no anesthetics) as a "punishment" for getting pregnant out of wedlock. The radio show host didn't even try to question her about this ludicrous statement. Another one of the allegations that they're making is that we -- horrors -- try to pressure women towards adoption or childbirth. How can anybody be so cruel?!
Melissa
Philly, PA USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 20:23:15 (EST) from 0-1pool156-23.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Nope, Capt. I yam what I yam. I'll not put on some sort of facade to be more pleasing. If a given individual cannot get past it, they can't get past it. I'm sure many on this board ARE accepting. Problem is, the children cannot contain themselves. The accepting ones are probably the silent ones. They don't accept what I say, but they are not out to vilify me for it either. They realize I see the world through Femecide colored glasses and leave it at that. On other boards, they, eventually, put in their two cents on some issue, usually without animosity, sticking to the issue and not vivisecting me in the process. I'll be taken as who I am or not at all. Compromise is not my strong suit.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 19:43:23 (EST) from adsl-156-181-15.gsp.bellsouth.net
Po Po femecide... you're just the quintessential victim aren’t you? ‘Waahhhhhhhhhhhhh, everyone is mistreating me! And for NO REASON at all!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! Joy is mean! Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I'm so misunderstood! Waaaahhhhhhhhh!’ Zounds, you poor baby you.
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 19:03:13 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.163.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
OK Capt, now you are just being an idiot. Law enforcement stats show females commit about 33% of all sexual child abuse. Yes, I know, that leaves 66% for males, but most,. like you, think they not only do nothing of the sort, that, if they did it would be ok. So, if, like in SC, a woman with AIDs sexually molested a 5 year old boy, that would have been ok. In fact his parents should have paid for it according to you. Take your head out of the sand some time. Women commit about 60% (or more) of all child physical abuse. Again, crime stats from govt' and private sources. In domestic violence, women admit to starting it 50 to 60 percent of the time by hitting first. One of their favorite things to hit with is a baseball bat. So much for the theory women do no harm in such cases. You want to talk hypocrisy? How about the women who moan about domestic abuse, yet think nothing of starting the fight (physically) in the first place? How about talking of the high incidence of domestic violence in the lesbian community. It's their dirty little secret. You know what is saddest about all this? Because of people like you, who can't admit it even happens, these women and girls go untreated for their problems. The lesbian community is so ripe with rabid feminists they pounce upon any woman who even tries to seek help. They just want her to shut up and keep the secret. Churches don't help these women because they are homosexual, and shelters don't take them in because, well ... they were just hit by another woman ... how serious can it be? On other boards, where people are not so quick to spew venom, I have had members of the lesbian community thank me for raising awareness of the problem. No one wants to even mention it for fear of being attacked with all sorts of libelous posts, as happens here. Of course, I'm pretty used to it, so taking a little more heat isn't any big deal.
No, no, you don't have this death row thing right. Of the men on death row, about 50% will, eventually be executed. Of the women on death row, less than 1% will, eventually be executed. It has NOTHING to do with raw numbers. I am talking percentages. Percentages normalize the data so it can be compared on a direct basis. The chances of a woman dying for her crime are vanishingly small, no matter how bad the act. Mind you, that's fine with me as I oppose the death penalty, for BOTH genders. But it is still a glaring inequality.
Am I "society?" Do I, and I alone determine how society treats women? No. It doesn't matter WHAT *I* think about it, I clearly referred to how our society differentiates between the genders. My comments were based on how things are in this country. Not my opinion of how I would like them to be. Regardless of how I feel about women, my statements are still valid. There is nothing hypocritical in pointing out these inequities. Nowhere did I justify what happens due to my opinions on how men and women are different. Get your facts straight before making pointless, knee-jerk comments.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:48:17 (EST) from adsl-20-145-105.mem.bellsouth.net
Feme, you don't understand. The people around here are some of the most accepting you'll ever see. You want to debate political issues, we'll debate. You want to talk religion, we'll talk (to a point). But what you have done is come in here with an attitude of hate (I know...loathing) toward women. For no reason other than they are women.
#1. Seek some help. No one wants to see you hurt yourself so much.
#2. Come back as someone other than Adam or Femecide and try to have an intelligent, non insulting conversation with someone and see what happens.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:26:37 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
PLM, you have no idea what goes on. Did you even read her post? Have you read her other posts towards me in here? You see just one thing here. Go to Carolyn's personal web site and her guestbook. She, and her band of idiots cannot leave it alone. Her latest crappy post in here was just one too many and I finally responded in kind. It has NOTHING to do with her being female. It has everything to do with her constantly baiting me and spreading lies and distortions about me. I had enough. I gave the "Capt." no pass because he is a male in this affair. He has gotten nearly as bad with a vendetta of his own. He is now on a course to present lies about me as if they were truths. Joy has no "arguments." She just spews bile and justifies it because of what I say. It provides an excuse for her hate. The people in here disregard their part in things and blame me for their bad behavior. Look more closely next time, before jumping to conclusions. You seem to like to research things, try it with me next time.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:16:14 (EST) from adsl-20-145-23.mem.bellsouth.net
Hmmm...no, I never said women are better than men. Each has his place. Yes, women are more apt to "get off" for a crime. Get used to it.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:12:13 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Oh, I see Capt. Joy can say ANYTHING about me, regardless of the truth of it or the hate contained in it. She says I blame some group of unnamed women for what I say. She blames me for what she says about me. How is that different? She can say whatever hateful things she wishes to me and blame me for the contents of her posts? How about judging her on her own merit, regardless of anything I said. How about holding her to the same standards as you hold me. Joy is NOT trying to ignore me. She constantly goes out of her way to bait me here, and on other posting sites. I finally responded to her. Go to Carolyn's personal site and look at that guestbook. She and her cronies can't leave it alone. I finally had enough and gave her some of the same back. She excuses everything she says about me based on my posts, never once looking at her own culpability in any of it.
Just for one moment, stop judging me and judge her on her responses, period.. Stop excusing her hate towards me based on what I say and try being a bit objective. Stop excusing her behavior and look at it for what it is.
Woman is God's greatest creation? Boy do they have you by the balls. So what are men? That's saying women are inherently better than men? That's degrading to men. But, of course that's ok. Yeah, I can see how much "equality" you have in you. That's the same attitude that lets women slide by with all sorts of crap. I see now why Joy can do no wrong in your eyes. She is a woman, therefore, God's greatest creation. So your son, if you have one, is just a secondary creature? Your daughter would be held in higher esteem because she, and not him, is God's greatest creation? No, you don't have any preconceived notions. Not you. You're not guilty of lumping an entire gender into one category. Doesn't matter if it is a flattering statement towards women, it's still the same thing.
Of course you would be the first to stoop to implying I only sleep with hookers. I wondered who would be the first to make such a low life comment.
After I die, it won't matter what went on in my life. Millions of people die every year, unknown or in less than high esteem. So what? Once you are gone, you are gone. The things of the earth no longer matter. Worrying what people think of you afterwards is a pointless exercise. It's all ego driven. After I, or anyone else goes, people get back to their lives and move on. In a couple of generations they are forgotten. Millions and millions of people lie in forgotten graves, forgotten people. Doesn't matter how nice of good they were, or how well liked, they are still just as dead, and just as forgotten. Only a VERY few people are remembered through the ages, even within a given family. New generations grow up with their own problems and see their ancestors as just another footnote, regardless of how they were perceived by others at the time. Worrying about what other people think of you is a waste of time.
As usual, Joy can get a pass to say any abominable thing she wishes to me. I give some of her crap back to her and all hell breaks loose. No one EVER chastises her for her bile. Of course, she's a woman, so it's OK. It doesn't matter how hypocritical I may be. It, in no way "excuses" HER hypocrisy.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 18:01:04 (EST) from adsl-78-167-22.gsp.bellsouth.net
Well, kids, I gotta go! Looking forward to a good weekend. Might snow!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:48:00 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Whoa whoa... I better clarify! Any way EXCEPT killing others... I don't advocate killing abortionists... just thought I needed to throw that out there. (Can't say I get all choked up when one dies of natural causes though... Oh, my bad!)
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:03:27 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
PLM, Pook - I think the important thing is to keep fighting this war against baby slaughter in whatever way we can.
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 17:01:39 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
heh heh heh...someone's got feminoids....heh heh heh....cool...
Beavis
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:58:40 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
And don't let my lack of responses over the next couple of hours flatter you, I am away from my computer.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:25:39 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
And from Feme:
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:23:40 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
PLM - Don't let femebutt get to you. He's not worth it. :o]
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:19:08 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
From Feme:
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:18:26 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
PLM – I like you too. :o] But as soon as you ‘win’ your argument that men have ‘rights’ concerning pregnancies, you automatically confirm that the women have ‘rights’ too. And to me, NEITHER have rights… To me it distracts from the point that the BABIES have rights. The parents lost their ‘rights’ when they had sex, both the man and the woman. Once pregnant, the baby is the one whose rights need protecting. For me, that is and will continue to be the focus… and sorry, but it has nothing to do with the disgusting fact that I could have an abortion if I wanted one. I'm really sorry you see it that way.
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:17:34 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy and pook:
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:17:26 (EST) from 63.232.50.167
you, of course Joy, a cheerful, go-getter nitw
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:13:58 (EST) from 63.232.50.167
"You constantly condemn others for their hate, yet you have no problem spreading your own hate, lies, and distortions."
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:07:28 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
must pay child support while no woman must" Sorry PLM, this is where we part ways. Women are
arrested for not paying child support just like the men. At least here in AZ.
Prolifeman
Austin, USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 16:02:14 (EST) from 63.232.50.167
"You are, clearly a smug, condescending twit, with an over inflated ego." Wow... snifff... that's the nicest thing you could say to me... sniff... now see I'm all emotional... thanks femie... :o]
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 15:25:39 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Unlike, you, of course Joy, a cheerful, go-getter nitwit. You constantly condemn others for their hate, yet you have no problem spreading your own hate, lies, and distortions. You mock me for lack of substance yet post dozens of useless posts, considering yourself to be so much better. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind. Your cronies reinforce the "correctness" of your hate so you feel good about it all. You claim to be "over" your problems with that sort of thing, yet have no problem sinking into the mire to wallow in hostile self righteousness as it suits you. You are, clearly a smug, condescending twit, with an over inflated ego.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 15:22:49 (EST) from adsl-156-180-250.gsp.bellsouth.net
Just for the record....I agree with PLM and Joy....but I think you all knew that....just clarifying. :-)
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 15:15:35 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Also Pook:
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 15:06:53 (EST) from 63.232.50.167
"must pay child support while no woman must" Sorry PLM, this is where we part ways. Women are arrested for not paying child support just like the men. At least here in AZ.
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 15:06:32 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"Soon, you wont have people angry, just pitying you in disbelief of it all..."
Joy
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:59:41 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.114.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
because they don't have to carry the children
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:53:42 (EST) from 63.232.50.167
Great site! I feel that ethnic minorities seeking independence throughout the world are doing so as a result of a common underlying cause. I have created a web page in which I express my belief as to what this underlying cause is. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.
A.M. Goto
San Francisco, CA USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:47:20 (EST) from 198.94.221.126
Are prolife MEN only good, just, and selfless?
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 14:22:38 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
well, I screwed that up!!
Chuck
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 13:50:08 (EST) from A010-0420.CLMB.splitrock.net
Hey everybody!
Hossier Pharmer made our local paper!
http://www.dispatch.com/news/religion/faith-story.php?story=dispatch/news/features01/dec01/986691.html
Good to see someone who WON'T give up her values. Wish I knew that lady.
Chuck
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 13:48:53 (EST) from A010-0420.CLMB.splitrock.net
Femicide, you didnt answer my queries at all except to "prove" how evil you feel women are at core level.
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:59:19 (EST) from 63.232.50.167
Now, lets hear about the common ground in this statement: Women are cruel, soulless, untrustworthy black holes of endless "needs." Face it, there is little common ground.
Sehlat
USA - Friday, December 14, 2001 at 11:28:57 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
The truth is out there, agent Mulder.
Scully
Washington, DC USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 23:25:33 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
When it was announced that an abortion pill was in the works, I asked a representative of a pro-life organization what they would do should it come to pass. She said that they would focus their attention on education, so that girls would know that what they are doing is destroying a baby. Come on! Of course they know they are destroying a baby; that's why they have abortions! They don't want to have a baby, so they get rid of it. The very fact that a woman has an abortion shows that she knows she's destroying a baby.
Fox
- Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 21:55:03 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
PLM, you're saying a pro-lifer cannot be self serving in her view of abortion? Why not? Anyone can be self serving on anything. Regardless, it is beside the point. Pro-life, pro-choice, it's just one issue. Besides, no bad consequences are facing the pro-life woman for her views. There is no dire circumstance causing her to make a decision one way or be swayed to the other to further some goal she may have. Remember, I said indicated push comes to shove. It's then women will be bent by whatever comes along to preserve themselves or their ideology. Women are cause du-jour types. Consensus is all important. Were it up to women, we would still be in caves. Of course, we would all be in touch with our feelings about it. There will be exceptions, but so few as to be totally insignificant.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 17:49:44 (EST) from adsl-20-145-163.mem.bellsouth.net
OK, Sehlat, common ground is not compromise. Point taken. Now, lets hear about the common ground in this statement: Women are cruel, soulless, untrustworthy black holes of endless "needs." Face it, there is little common ground. Even on issues we do share common ground, abortion, perhaps the death penalty, it's overshadowed by my POV on women. Nothing is going to change that. Thus, even if I DID go for the common ground before making my bolder statements, all ground would be lost afterwards. What's the point? Might as well get it over with.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 16:18:45 (EST) from adsl-20-145-128.mem.bellsouth.net
"My vote is for "ignore."
Buh-bye ... buh-bye now, thank you for flying Femecide Airlines. Buuuuh-bye ... watch your head. Buh-bye ... buh-bye now!
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 16:15:42 (EST) from adsl-20-146-252.gsp.bellsouth.net
Has everyone put-up their Festivus Poles?
The pole should be polished aluminum. I have always liked aluminum, because of its superior strenght to weight ratio.
Next, you have your family and neighbors gather around the Festivus pole, so that you can tell each of them how they have disappointed you during the year.
This should be followed by; the Festivus Feats of Strength. (My son, George, hates that part.)
Frank Costanza
Queens, NY USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 14:39:57 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Simple challenge/question for femicide:
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 13:16:45 (EST) from 63.232.112.68
Who said anything about "finding common ground = compromise"? I sure didn't. I do not and will not
compromise my beliefs for anyone.
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 13:05:28 (EST) from 63.232.112.68
Matt - How did you get to be so smart? :o]
Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 11:38:20 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.164.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Who said anything about "finding common ground = compromise"? I sure didn't. I do not and will not compromise my beliefs for anyone.
Sehlat
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 10:46:49 (EST) from 206.215.243.234
"I don't much care for compromise. There's too much of it in the world as it is. I see it as I see it. Agree, disagree, fine. All I can do is put it out there. Accept, reject, ignore, whatever." Femecide
Matt
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 02:11:31 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Sehlat, I don't give a hoot about common ground. If there is some, fine, if not, I'll not go out of my way to find some. I consider that condescending. I don't much care for compromise. There's too much of it in the world as it is. I see it as I see it. Agree, disagree, fine. All I can do is put it out there. Accept, reject, ignore, whatever. Thing is, once it's out there it's out there. All the common ground/compromising/acceptance/rejection in the world won't change that, nor would I want it to.
No, this is how I always do it. I'm not going to become diplomatic any time in the near future. One of the nice things about this medium is that, on line my handicap is no handicap. The other is one can be more blunt than in real life. I see it as an opportunity to be as up front and blunt as I wish; something past generations did not have. It's an opportunity I'm not going to squander on false platitudes or a softened stance.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 01:31:38 (EST) from adsl-78-166-244.gsp.bellsouth.net
Pook - You hit the nail right on the head...
Joy
USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 00:36:59 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.155.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Borts have such crazy logic (actually, that might be too nice a term!)...
Repunklican Pook
Lake Geneva, WI USA - Thursday, December 13, 2001 at 00:21:18 (EST) from mke-160-231-56.wi.rr.com
Sue - Cuz you're smart and think for yourself? Just a hunch... :o]
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 23:51:51 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.155.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Interesting site! Very informative. I'm peeking out from under my blindfold and typing this with my pinky, in case the stereotype spewing libs. wonder how I can like a site like this.
Sue
Lodi, CA USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 23:22:35 (EST) from dial-166.arc-01.lodinet.com
Melissa, the CPC I support and work volunteer for on functions in my neck of the woods has received NARALs action alerts. These hypocrites, by their OWN LOGIC oppose choice for women. If they argue, (even though its totally flawed) that its her choice, flatly, then they CANNOT argue "making sure she knows she might get fooled by antichoice CPC workers" etc. because their logic should say the woman is capable of ferreting out on her own without any influence. These are the same folks who argue father's rights with me, who proceed to think THEY, an unnamed stranger, has a duty to "protect" women from "being duped" into *terming* a pregnancy (!!!) Logically, a prochoicer should NOT CARE (within reason, if she was drugged and brainwashed by force ok maybe) WHAT a pg woman does or doesnt do, who she listens to or not, about such a decision and would stay out as an observer by definition if they are claiming to BE prochoice other than trying to keep it legal, etc. But they dont, proving it wasnt about 'choice' after all...
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 22:26:10 (EST) from 63.232.121.114
Were it the other way around, men would be throwing themselves en masse against
the killer to try to save the women.
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 22:16:20 (EST) from 63.232.121.114
Oh, I _do_ go to sites with which I strongly disagree. In fact, it's part of my job. :P I just don't go into the guestbooks and forums and post a bunch of hateful ramblings. Unlike you, I can either keep my net-mouth shut at those sites or post something involving a *respectful* disagreement or an effort to meet my opponents on common ground. Try it sometime... you can't do it here because you've built up more than enough ill will to stain you for the rest of your life, but try it elsewhere.
Sehlat
USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 10:25:26 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
The Congressperson sponsoring Resolution 302 is Bob Schaffer, a Republican from Colorado. Please phone or write today!
Melissa
Philly, USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 08:58:39 (EST) from 170.115.249.14
Okay people, I need your help. As you may know, the crisis pregnancy centers are under attack by NARAL, PP, etc. A pro-life Congressperson (I can't recall his name, but he's a Republican -- why am I not surprised)? is sponsoring House Resolution 302, recognizing crisis pregnancy centers for the work they do for pregnant women who CHOOSE to have their babies. Please, please call your Congressperson and ask him or her to support this resolution! This campaign by NARAL, makes me so angry! I used to be a volunteer at a CPC, a residential home for women, and they really did provide help to women in need. Don't these idiots have anything better to do? If the CPC's are so awful, why don't NOW, NARAL, etc., try to open their own? Don't women who want to have their babies deserve help? Better yet, make a donation to your local CPC today!
Melissa
Philly, USA - Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 08:45:34 (EST) from 170.115.249.14
What a rinky-dink site. Her rantings are so lame that she has to label them "Humor Columns" so that you don't mistake them for teen advice or gardening columns.
Lilith is a complete nut.
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 21:58:11 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
"Hey if you want to find another place to hang-out on the net:
check-out www.madkane.com"
Thanks for the suggestion. I raised my leg on her message board. I'm having great fun with "Lillith."
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 19:35:48 (EST) from adsl-20-145-103.mem.bellsouth.net
Hey if you want to find another place to hang-out on the net:
check-out www.madkane.com
this poor anti-American skank is just dieing for people to visit her site.
Be sure and leave your mark on her messageboard.
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 18:05:39 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Is this the only place you go on the web, Sehlat? Do you only go to places where the members agree with you? What's the point of that? All you get is reinforcement of a single POV. You begin to see the entire world as thinking as you think. Preaching to the choir means little. Sure I hang out at the type of sites you mentioned (you ought to check out http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ksolway/misogyny.html especially "Dave Sim on The Merged Void."). I go to many places, some agree, some don't. So what? Posting here is hardly a form of masochism. It's just another posting site.
Femecide
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 17:26:07 (EST) from adsl-156-180-59.gsp.bellsouth.net
Geraldo??? What will he do?
We're trapped in a coal mine, not Al Capone's vault.
Oh, well...whatever...just don't send Oprah.
The Miners
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:48:05 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I am sending Geraldo, just hang on!!
Carlos, the In-Sink Irator
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:41:32 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Carlos!...Carlos!!!.....Help....Help!
You've got to save us! Help, we're still trapped down here! Help!!!
The Miners
McKlusky, WVA USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:39:26 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
This website sickens me! I despise those that write it!
I wish that we could be more like China so that we could eat our own babies.
I love Osama, the Taliban was right for what they did. Amerika has like done all this bad stuff. You know?
Hillary Fan
Rio Linda, CA USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 15:08:30 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
this is the most disturbing website i've seen in a long time, and i was looking at www.godhatesfags.com lastnite. it truly saddens me to see such ignorance, hypocrisy, and silliness.
radicalfeminist
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 13:48:00 (EST) from dhcp0400.hrn.resnet.group.upenn.edu
Great... misogynist and masochist if you keep coming here. If you hate women and we're all alike, then LEAVE! Go find yourself some male-bonding website, some he-man woman-haters club, and spout your spew there.
Sehlat
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 09:57:44 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Geeez.
Sorry I asked.
Vlad
USA - Tuesday, December 11, 2001 at 00:23:29 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
PLM, thank you for your considered post. Let me first say, while I do care about influencing people, I will not be other than who I am to do it. I am a mysognist, and make no apologies for it. I know the nick name, Femecide, isn't exactly going to win me brownie points, but I would rather be honest and up front than popular. I am not trying to influence anyone by sugar coating myself or what I say. If someone cannot distinguish the message from the messenger, so be it. I would list reasons for what I say, but it would just prolong things without accomplishing anything. The reasons would no more be listened to than my original message. I've not ignored anyone or what they say. Unless they are just out to insult, I always respond.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 23:46:07 (EST) from adsl-78-167-177.gsp.bellsouth.net
Well, Sehlat, I don't believe any "enemies" from here pose any sort of threat. I haven't accused anyone of being wimpy. Where do you get this idea I don't want you to speak up? I would simply appreciate it if everyone stuck to the opinion and stop these useless personal attacks. There is much about women which can be generalized. No one wants to enter that discussion here, however. Hated? No one hates me. A couple have gone out of their way to say that in here. There's no need for pity. I live a good life as well. I just don't think it has to include this delusion we call love. Love for a woman, that is. Just because you don't think someone can have a good life, yet loathe women, doesn't make you right (either).
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:54:37 (EST) from adsl-20-147-94.gsp.bellsouth.net
Hey, where the heck is Feminoid?
The Bingo game at the DAV must be going late, tonight.
Vlad the Impeacher <Vlad@VRWC.com>
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:46:22 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hey Mel,
How does it feel to be bald, ugly, AND stupid???
Buddy Sorel
New Rochelle, NY USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:44:20 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Ooops, I think I've had a few too many boilermakers tonight. Burrrp.
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:26:58 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hey Jen, do you consider $75,000 per year to be a lot of money or something?
You should probably take all the handcuffs and blindfolds you can get.
Sounds like you're easily amused.
Vlad the Impeacher <Vlad@hillary-h8r.com>
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:25:56 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hey Jen, do you consider $75,000 per year to be a lot of money or something?
You should probably take all the handcuffs and blindfolds you can get.
Sounds like your easily amused.
Vlad the Impeacher <Vlad@hillary-h8r.com>
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:24:31 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hi there, Mel. Oh, I just love it when you talk dirty....mmmmmmm.
Where did you run off to after our date???
You know it is soooo rude to just eat and run.
Percy Dovetonsalls <PercyDoo@Oraljoy.com>
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:19:28 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Oh Hi Biffy-poo.
Percy Dovetonsalls <PercyPoo@Oraljoy.com>
San Frathisco, CA USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 22:16:51 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Hey everybody. How is it going?
Biff <rushlimbaughneverlies@billoriellydotcom>
Orlando, FL USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 21:43:44 (EST) from slip-12-64-120-102.mis.prserv.net
Jen, honey, where on earth *do* you get those generalizations? I've heard a lot of crap taken at women who reject being good little liberal feminists like they're suppossed to (otherwise they're being oppressed, of course) but that really takes the cake.
Katie
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 21:37:17 (EST) from AC9E37A4.ipt.aol.com
Fuck all the stupid Christian cunts who actually visit this site...
mel
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 21:05:09 (EST) from adsl-65-71-41-49.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net
I am disgusted and appalled by your site! I guess I just find it difficult to believe that as a woman you could participate in your own oppression. You women wake up in the morning, and you ask your $75,000 a-year-earning husband to blindfold you; and then you have him tie your hands behind your back. Then you thank him! And you spend your entire day gloating about what a good Christian you are. Well ladies, hats off to you. You certainly are good Christians: only the ignorant and blind are eligible.
jen
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 21:02:04 (EST) from adsl-65-71-41-49.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net
Safe? Safe from what? Looks like all you're doing is making enemies. You've got a pretty sick definition of "safe".
I don't know what else you could mean by some female mentality because there's nothing about us that can be safely generalized.
Sehlat
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 18:46:08 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
We have located the trapped miners and hope to have them out by Christmas...we will be taping it live!!
Geraldo
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:44:14 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Happy Festivus, Everybody!!!
A Festivus for the rest of us...
Frank Costanza
Queens, NY USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 17:39:09 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
So, where has Carlos been???
I hope those miners are doing OK...
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:56:55 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Sehlat, why do you insist on believing I hold the opinions I do because I was "dumped" by women? That's nothing more than an assumption on your part. It has nothing to do with being dumped and everything to do with female mentality and it's accompanying behavior. I could go with a long litany of these behaviors, but I'm sure no one in here would agree with the vast majority of them. Beyond that, there are metaphysical aspects to my overall view of women which I KNOW will not be popular (to say the least), so I don't even attempt to get into them. It's far more complicated than being dumped.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 14:15:59 (EST) from adsl-78-167-10.gsp.bellsouth.net
Femicide:
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 11:10:52 (EST) from 0-1pool113-72.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
PLM!! Hi.
Me again
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:45:05 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 10:47:16 (EST) from 0-1pool113-72.nas1.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
ALRIGHT! THAT DOES IT.....NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!
Soup Nazi
Queens, NY USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 10:45:35 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
The more I read the woman-hater's post, the more sad he looks. If he only knew what some of us have really been through, what we really know about suffering, he'd shut up in a minute all that spew he has been spouting.
Yes, Femecide. Poor sad little you. You've been hurt badly, and now you want the world to suffer like you have. You say your hateful garbage here to make us turn against you so your feelings will be verified. Your victimhood reinforced, you go on your way with a strange-self-righteousness.
Forget it.
I'm not much over half your age, and I grew up past the victim mentality years ago. I know of people struggling with pain far worse than just getting dumped by a woman or two who fight tooth-and-nail against developing your attitude. I've got a lot more sympathy for abuse survivors with a lot less hope and nothing to fall back on who have a determination to overcome than I do some guy who can't let go of a chip on his shoulder. Nearly all of us have had bad relationships. Most of us move on. Your turn.
Get help. Your anger and hate will kill you. 54 is not too old to change and heal. As long as you have breath, you can do something... but what? Change the attitude and get help, or be a bitter old hatemonger for the rest of your life. Your call. In any event, anything has to be better than hanging out in a guestbook populated by people you hate on a site you cannot stand. I'm sure that since you see yourself as so superior to us, you can surely find something better to do with your time.
Sehlat
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 10:24:10 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
He should feel fortunate; at least no one called him "Algore".
Vlad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 10:15:00 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
" Rad, I have had the same opinion of you from your very first post."
Here's a quarter Femibot call someone
*rollseyes*
Rad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 02:43:23 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Yes, you tell 'em Monica. Everyone must fall into lockstep behind you and the other squeaky wheels in here. I don't believe I ever said anyone, let alone everyone, must agree with me. Typical. Also, could you point out where I became "enraged?" Perhaps a bit peeved on one or two occasions, but enraged? Get a grip. No one has been holding a gun to anyone's head to respond to anything I have posted. They did of their own free will. People love to shoot the messenger. It's not what I posted that has you so upset, it's that others responded and, according to you, should not have done so. All anyone had to say was, "That's not so" to my very first post and it would have been over. Instead several of you insisted on dragging non related points about me, personally, into the fray. Had everyone just ignored me from the get-go, it would have been over long ago. Don't try to put the blame on me for all this. You have no one but yourselves and your penchant for ill thought out replies. Had none of you posted again, had none of you tried to psychoanalyze me and my motives, had you shown even a modicum of restraint, this would not have carried on for several days. Accuse me all you wish, none of it will negate the fact it was YOU (collectively) who needed to dig deeper and deeper into things. Beyond my first post, I only responded to posts directed to me. Except for a couple of unrelated posts, I only posted in response to someone else's posting to me or what I said. Look to your own posts and examine the hate in their content before labeling me. None of you are blameless in this matter. Not that any of you will admit any of it. That would bring you all down from the lofty perch you see yourselves sitting on.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 01:30:22 (EST) from adsl-78-166-19.gsp.bellsouth.net
Yet another astounding coincidence, Rad, I have had the same opinion of you from your very first post. Your most recent post verifies it once again.
Femecide
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 01:07:13 (EST) from adsl-78-166-110.gsp.bellsouth.net
"Femecide" does not merit all the attention he has been getting here. He obviously only said those outrageous things to get a response. That's why I just ignored him at first.
I think he's one of those people who are so self-centered they get enraged at people who don't agree that the whole world must revolve around them. I've had enough of people like that myself.
Ignore him and write about more interesting and important things.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 00:57:47 (EST) from dialup-64.156.227.157.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Femecide you are truly an idiot!
Rad
USA - Monday, December 10, 2001 at 00:19:26 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
"If they don't want to be treated differently from everyone else, why do they lobby Congress to pass special laws in their favor?
Fox"
Matt
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 23:47:24 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
If they don't want to be treated differently from everyone else, why do they lobby Congress to pass special laws in their favor?
Fox
- Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 22:30:19 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
"An intervention has been performed and it has been pointed out to me that conversing in any way with you, femecide, is wasting my breath and time... "
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 16:28:01 (EST) from adsl-156-182-54.gsp.bellsouth.net
An intervention has been performed and it has been pointed out to me that conversing in any way with you, femecide, is wasting my breath and time...
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 16:04:15 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"My behavior is to respond reasonably to those who post reasonably. Even to bile mongers like you, I still try to post reasonably to see if they are capable of change. Try again. Lets see if you can come up with more excuses for your deplorable posts." You didn't even start out reasonably. Now apply the above to yourself.
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 15:43:30 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"They will always ignore their own behavior." ... "Which is exactly what you have been doing ever since your first post"
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 15:42:05 (EST) from adsl-20-145-186.mem.bellsouth.net
"They will always ignore their own behavior." Which is exactly what you have been doing ever since your first post.
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 15:27:43 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
It’s my work with vets and the handicapped that has formed the way I treat people in those conditions: the same as everyone else. They don’t want to be treated different because it draws attention to their handicap or disability and away from THEM. Now obviously some need more help with mobility than others, but they want to be spoken to as if their handicap didn’t exist. “Stumpy” was the first to give me a tongue-lashing because I didn’t want to call him ‘Stumpy.” I thought it was a horrible knick-name for someone with no legs. He showed me how my discomfort with his disability made him feel uncomfortable around me. He and I have had some wonderful talks about post-traumatic stress disorder and the best ways to deal with it. He’s one of the only people who knows my ‘bumps’ inside and out. And I know how he feels about being treated as if you are different. And while I think what he endured and endures is worse than what I did, he thinks the opposite.
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 15:20:39 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh yeah ... suddenly you know many injured vets. Your little story grows to fit the situation doesn't it? I guess next you'll embellish it to become a vet yourself. I should know better than to even attempt to argue with a child or an adult who behaves as a child. It's pointless. They will always ignore their own behavior. You are much more hateful than I could ever be. Venom spews from every word. Apparently you know no other way.
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 15:14:16 (EST) from adsl-20-145-250.mem.bellsouth.net
Now I gotta laugh, cuz I'm thinking of one of the 'legless' vets you speak of... and I can guarantee you he'd take you out, even in his wheelchair, if he ever heard you speak of women the way you do. He'd be ashamed of you. He is an honorable vet. Something you can't comprehend.
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 14:39:23 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Feme - If I cared enough to share my 'bumps' there's no doubt they would be the equal of yours since that's how you compare things. The few people who do know about the things I have experienced can't imagine how I endured those things and came through them a happy, life-loving person. But I don't throw that crap out there to elicit sympathy and pity and attempt to lend credence to what I say like you have. Nobody here has any inkling. You have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about. None. And I wouldn't lump you in with the honorable vets that have served this country. You're a disgrace to them all. You and your insane babble.
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 14:20:42 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.186.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Jealous? What have I to be jealous about from a runny nose ungrateful Yuppie larva and his/her mentor, an "adult" who obviously has not learned the difference between being young at heart and acting like a vicious, ill bred, vindictive adolescent who has just been scolded by her mother and now feels compelled to "act out" to show the world how "superior" she is. I would submit you have yet to encounter anything truly traumatic in your smug little existence. Perhaps a trip to a VA hospital would clarify to you the difference between the hurtles in life you have encountered and those who have had REAL crap thrown at them. I know every time I go and see the men sitting around in wheelchairs just marking time, waiting to die, I feel truly blessed. Why don't you tell them how they should be feeling about life and how they should conquer their problems and not be so damn whiny about their lack of legs of those pesky little mental traumas which give them nightmares EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. Maybe you could dispense your pat little solutions to the people who languish in mental treatment facilities. After all, they should not be there, they just don't have YOUR capacity to deal with life's "bumps." Just go out and minister to all the walking wounded in the world. Kick them in the ass and tell them how wrong they are and to straighten up their act. That should do it. Problem solved.
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 13:17:58 (EST) from adsl-20-147-203.gsp.bellsouth.net
I'll work on that Vlad. :o]
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 10:34:33 (EST) from dialup-64.158.214.63.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy,
You need to open up and tell us what you really think.
Don't hold back, you need to get over this shyness.
Vlad the Facilitator
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 01:02:26 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Oh boy Feme! Maybe we young-uns can grow up to be a loser just like you: Tired, boring, bitter and lame. What you can't stand is that we aren't as young as you'd like to believe; we just aren't psychos like you. We dealt with the crap life threw at us and grew up and remained fun loving and young at heart. We haven't allowed life’s bumps to conquer us like you have. Now you're adding whiny and jealous to your list of 'attributes.'
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 00:40:40 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.70.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"cool" ... "STFU!" ... Uh huh. Let me know when you graduate Grade School "Rad." Even the name reeks of a know-nothing teen. In a couple more decades maybe you'll even turn into a "person." If not, well ... be sure you can at least pronounce "You want fries with that?"
Femecide
USA - Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 00:00:32 (EST) from adsl-20-144-157.mem.bellsouth.net
Ahhh Rad! :o]
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:49:21 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ps to all the 54 year-old-non-washed-out-losers... just wanted to make sure everyone knows I'm not knocking 54 year-olds... just this one in particular, cuz... well... it's just fun...
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:48:27 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Femecide,
Joy is very cool in my book
my advice to you is to STFU!
Rad
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:41:43 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Gee, I wish he would call me a teen-ager...Hmmmphf.
It would be a big rush to me, just like when the lady at the liquor store asks to see my I.D.
I usually say; "OH, Thank you" and we both laugh at each other's gray hair.
Well, here goes....HIGH FIVE!!!...oh that hurts when I do that, my rheumatism is actin' up again.
Vlad
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:39:53 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
What's the difference between a cop and a queer?
Nothing. They're both c*cksuckers!
- Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:38:58 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:29:33 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Uh huh. :o] I'm sure I'm not the only one that's been riveted by all the "worthwhile" things you have to say. WOW... I'm soooooooo impressed. And by everyone else's reactions to your posts, it appears they, too, are impressed. Yesserie... very impressive.
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:28:35 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.125.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I just wanted to see what would be your reaction, Joy. It was predictable. Exactly what I thought you would say. It's abundantly clear you're an idiot teeny bopper without an ounce of anything worthwhile to say. You and your buddy Vlad just continue to high five each other. Let me know when, and if, you graduate high school.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 22:10:53 (EST) from adsl-156-180-146.gsp.bellsouth.net
rofl! That's the best you can do? I could get better insults at the Barney site that Fox hangs out on. Rats...
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 21:49:44 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Thank you, Joy, I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate
yourself in public once again. We're all refreshed and challenged by your
unique point of view. Good to see that personality bypass worked for you.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 21:40:30 (EST) from adsl-78-166-118.gsp.bellsouth.net
"I know you are, but what am I!" roflmao And what pray tell, was your post about! Oh lordy... at least I know where to come to get a good laugh.
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 21:16:53 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I have yet to see Fox, either "relate" to, or even address me. You seem to enjoy in creating links where there are none. Now, you will, once again, say something to the effect of "I know you are, but what am I!" tell you what, I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter. I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard
to pronounce. I also don't know why I keep answering you, maybe because you remind me of when I was young and stupid.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 21:07:15 (EST) from adsl-78-166-150.gsp.bellsouth.net
Hey Sehlat - If you don't mind sharing your web-site addy, send it to my email. Thanks!
Joy <joymeister@hotmail.com>
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 20:57:58 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Vlad - I agree 100%. Capt. Kirk was a hunk and a half. Capt. Picard has liberal weenie written all over that skull of his.
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 20:53:37 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
No YOU!
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 20:41:45 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
What are you Joy? 12? Is "Nayh! Nayh!" all you know?
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 20:26:50 (EST) from adsl-156-181-207.gsp.bellsouth.net
Feme - Everything you type is a pointless, spiteful dig. Your 'handle' is a pointless, spiteful dig. You're a walking pointless, spiteful dig. lol
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 20:18:05 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.57.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Same old, never miss an oportunity to get in another pointless, spiteful dig, Joy.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 19:22:32 (EST) from adsl-78-167-26.gsp.bellsouth.net
Oh well, serves me right for not being more of a Star Trek fan. Although I did prefer the reckless swashbuckling antics of Captain Kirk to the boring pantywaisted Jean-Luke Pichard. The only way they should give command of a starship to a frenchman is if they want to surrender it to the Klingons or Romulans. The French are not known as "Cheese-eating Surrender-Monkeys" for nothing.
Actually my favorite TV show is "Seinfeld". The only possible userid from Seinfeld that I can think of is "Soup Nazi".
"You talked in line...NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!"
Vlad
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 16:59:01 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Forgot something... Vlad, Spock's pet sehlat wasn't miniature. :)
Sehlat
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 16:11:51 (EST) from libbkr193.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
All right, did everyone look on my web page or something? Yes, my name is from Star Trek. It didn't start out that way. I got the name because it's so hard to believe that the verbal sledgehammer people deal with online is actually a cuddly character IRL. IOW, I'm a teddy bear with fangs. When I told a Trek fan what had been said about me, he showed me what a sehlat was and the name stuck.
Sehlat
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 16:10:17 (EST) from libbkr193.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Is Femicide for real or is he just trying to push everyone's buttons?
Melissa
Philly, USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 14:45:57 (EST) from 0-1pool157-219.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Has anyone here purchased any of the limited edition "Walt Disney Treasures" DVD sets? I bought 3 of them (Mickey Mouse, Silly Symphonies, and Disneyland USA). If you want 'em, get to the nearest Disney Store fast! Each set is limited to 150,000.
Fox
- Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 14:31:44 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Feme - You'll be happy to know I don't blame your sniveling, stinky attitude on anyone but you. Shit happens to everyone. Everyone has the choice in how they respond to it. You, clearly, have chosen the cowards road.
Joy
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 11:05:22 (EST) from dialup-64.158.215.52.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
You know, Carolyn, in that "Founders" picture of you and Steph, you bear a striking resemblance to the Adina character on "Absolutely Fabulous."
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 01:43:21 (EST) from adsl-20-147-16.gsp.bellsouth.net
Sigh,... they always blame it on poor old Mom. Monica, my mother was a cross between June Clever and Lucile Ball. I had a fine childhood, with fine parents. I am an only child, so no sisters to blame either. My parents were married right up until the death of my mother a few years ago.
Being a woman does not mean you know women. You don't know the wide latitude of sexual appetites some women have. The women I deal with don't want a relationship. That's the whole point. Most of the women I know on an intimate level take a sort of "there, there, it'll be all right"
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 01:02:02 (EST) from adsl-20-147-203.gsp.bellsouth.net
Essentially, yes, Capt. My vocal cords are fine, I just can't form words. It all comes out as gibberish. Other than that, I'm fine. I went through months of rehabilitation therapy trying to form alternate neural pathways. Nothing worked. I finally just gave up and decided to go with ASL and written notes. I also went through a lot of psychological therapy during the same time. That's when I learned just how useless psychotherapists were. The physical therapists were great. They were patient and tireless. I have only good things to say about them.
Femecide
USA - Saturday, December 08, 2001 at 00:24:02 (EST) from adsl-20-145-52.mem.bellsouth.net
Femecide, up to now I ignored your posts because they just seemed stupid or else designed to upset and attract attention. The statements seemed too absurd to take seriously.
But after reading your comments on your attitude as to sex with women, all I can say is don't blame women for not wanting to have sex or a relationship with you. Just think about your attitude, and realize why a woman wouldn't find it a great turn-on. I thought given your views on women you'd be a homosexual.
I'm sure being in the Vietnam war was traumatic and dealing with that might resolve some of your anger.
If there were problems in your parents marriage or your relationship with your mother and/or sisters, not all women are alike. And maybe they weren't bad, they just had their own difficult situations there were dealing with.
Counseling might help you be more at peace.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 23:02:09 (EST) from dialup-63.208.134.124.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Hey Joy, have you ever checked-out Lucianne.com?
It is a real fun site if you are into politics and like news and commentary.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 22:47:04 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
A miniature bear with 6 inch fangs sounds like a good candidate for a dose of snakeshot, or would that just make him mad?
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 22:44:23 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
In that episode the Sehlat was only mentioned and described. It wasn't shown. I understand that it is depicted in the newer Star Trek cartoons... but I haven't seen any of those.
Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 22:32:51 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.67.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
That episode must have been done back in the sixties, was Sehlat the bear animated? Were the special effects any good?
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 22:29:07 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
It's in the episode called Journey to Babel... where Spock's mother tells Bones about Spock's fat 'teddy bear' he had as a child. Except it's alive and has, of course, the 6-inch fangs. lol
Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 22:23:15 (EST) from dialup-64.158.227.67.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I don't remember that one, but I do remember the episode with the tribbles.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 22:06:16 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
A Sehlat was Spock's 'teddy bear'... it's a live bear like creature with 6-inch fangs.
Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 21:35:36 (EST) from dialup-67.24.237.165.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
No, I guess that I don't.
I can remember Kirk, Spock, Ohura, Bones, Scott, sulu, and a very young-sexy Terri Garr playing as an extra in a VERY short skirt.
But I don't remember a "Sehlat".
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 21:33:07 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
you don't watch enough old 'star trek' episodes, vlad.
mike
canada - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 20:38:40 (EST) from HSE-Hamilton-ppp190742.sympatico.ca
Hey Sehlat,
You have an interesting and exotic name, are you from India?
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 20:22:52 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
You are right about this objectification thing. I remember, a while back, looking at a woman with whom I had sex, as she dressed to leave, and thinking to myself "What do I really feel about her?" The answer ... she was just "there." Like the furniture was just "there." There is no connection. She is an object moving about the room. I found that interesting, even a little disturbing. I thought about that for a long time, afterwards and decided that's just the way it was. Nothing to get particularly upset about.
Sehlat
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 19:58:10 (EST) from libbkr193.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Femenid,
I don't think that I mentioned you in that post, but was just making an observation about the unusually high numbers of former "Spec-Ops" types that I have come across in civilian-life.
(In fact, the first time that I have a Vietnam vet admit that he was a motorpool corporal or a supply clerk, I think I will buy that man a double bourbon and a Daniel Webster Cigar.)
Actual combat vets that I have known (through VFW or my own family members) are almost always very humble and don't talk very much about the experience, let alone brag like the obvious fakers do.
I still recommend Burkett's book. He as really exposed some very prominent braggarts that include actors, politicians, journalists, veteran's activists, homeless advocates, and anti-war activists.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 17:03:56 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Aahhhhhh Vlad! That's so sweet! ;o]
Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:50:19 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.177.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Feme, YOU were shot in the head and cannot speak?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:49:27 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
And to be sure, I haven't kept up with this conversation (nor do I wish to), so I will just stay out of it. lol :o]
Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:48:53 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.177.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Well, my bad. I do have to apologize to femicide. I did not read that post I quoted from (something I bash others for all the time). Only the end of it after reading the one above it. Yes, I 'assumed' it was full of all his normal slush. Upon reading the rest of it, I realize I was wrong. I thought he didn't want to discuss the slaughter of the 'feminists' any more. My mistake.
Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:44:28 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.177.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Fine, Vlad, give me a fax number and I'll send you my DD-214 (with my address blacked out of course). Until then it would be wise to stop making claims for which you have no support.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:44:11 (EST) from adsl-78-166-101.gsp.bellsouth.net
OH Boy, Joy is back!
Don't get Joy mad at you or you'll git a helping of snakeshot!
(I try to stay on her good side)
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:40:39 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Joy, it has nothing to do with courtesy or point making. If you can't understand why I'm uncomfortable discussing it further, you're an idiot.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:37:13 (EST) from adsl-78-167-29.gsp.bellsouth.net
You can usually flush-out a faker by asking them: "what outfit were you in?", "Where did you go-through basic-training?", "How were you transported overseas?", "What was your MOS?"
If the suspicious story-teller indicates that they were "Special Forces" or that their training was "Secret" or "covert", then they are almost positively a fake.
I've ran into more Spec-Ops, Green Berets, Seals, LRPS, etc as a civilian than when I did when I was based near Seal Team One's headquarters in San Diego.
I've always been suspicous of the large number of former Spec-ops types. They were few in number (elite) to begin with, and if they were sent on such dangerous missions, I would imagine the combat losses would result in very few being around, today.
If you want to read a terrific book on the subject, I recommend "Stolen Valor" by B.G. Burkett.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:33:07 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"I don't think anyone else wants to "hear" this stuff either." That hasn't stopped you so far. Why the sudden 'courtesy?' Or is Vlad making a point you don't want to hear?
Joy
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:11:26 (EST) from dialup-67.24.236.177.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
After the 9/11 attacks, fewer people are going to be so accepting of being pushed around by that type of terrorist. God bless the ones that resisted and the ones that died.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 16:11:08 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"The post from 9:30 said that he separated the men from the women and only killed the women. It didn't say anything about an "initial slaughter"."
You have to read the whole story to get a picture of what went on. The synopsis posted here left much out.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 15:52:34 (EST) from adsl-20-144-176.mem.bellsouth.net
Sorry, Vlad, that should have been 66 through 68, inclusive, or 3 years. I was drafted and they got this know-nothing kid to sign up for that extra year. Two year stints were, however, the norm for draftees. After that, it was several years of active reserves. I agree about the special camaraderie thing, but I don't agree with the mindset. Also, that camaraderie extends to men who unwillingly face death together as well. I never bought into the "warmonger militarist" either. Nor did I buy into the military-industrial complex crap. I have my own reasons. True, when I was in it was largely composed of people who did not want to be there and others just looking out for promotions, no matter the cost. The place was full of back stabbing SOBs trying to make that next grade. So, maybe I do have a distorted view of it. Being shot in the head (yeah, I know that explains a lot) and losing the ability to speak (as well as every friend I had at the time) has not helped either. Westmoreland was an idiot. Swartzcof, at least, showed some compassion for the troops and did everything in his power to minimize losses. Vietnam was still fought WW2, bodies into the breach style. They should have never stopped bombing the North.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 15:50:49 (EST) from adsl-20-144-176.mem.bellsouth.net
The post from 9:30 said that he separated the men from the women and only killed the women. It didn't say anything about an "initial slaughter".
Very convenient for him that he only wanted to kill "feminists" and not heavily-armed crack dealers, black panthers, or Army Rangers. It is more than just an odd coincidence that they always seem to pick easy targets.
(Too bad Canada doesn't have the death penalty).
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 15:24:47 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
('66 to '68)??? That's just a two year stint...what's the story there?
I happen to consider myself to be one of those "military types" and prefer their company to that of civilians. Men that would willingly face death together have a special comaraderie that civilians just can't understand. (It is the same as with firemen and policemen). Civilians are too busy being wrapped-up in their own little myopic self-centered materialistic existences. Whereas, "military types" are willing to forgoe some material and physical comforts in return for the knowledge that they are doing their duty for their country and for each other.
Since you served during "the sixties" you were exposed to the U.S. military in its less than stellar years and seem to have bought into the "war-monger militarist" B.S.
If the Cold war and Gulf War hadn't ended and I hadn't gotten married, I would probably still be with them.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 15:10:43 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
54, Capt. You didn't think someone could get THIS jaded overnight did you? When sex no longer becomes an issue, my life will be that much easier, that's all.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:57:55 (EST) from adsl-156-180-32.gsp.bellsouth.net
Vlad, the guy's purpose was to kill "feminists," not Longshoremen, lets get a grip here. He was not out to prove how tough he was, he was out to kill, period. Saying what he SHOULD have done is moot. I seriously doubt being confronted by an adult male would have made a difference. In fact, as I recall, he DID shoot a couple of males who tried to stop him after the initial slaughter. Making the assumption he was too much of a woose to pull the trigger is a great way to commit suicide. Perhaps you know how to disarm him, I doubt any of the kids, male or female there at the time, did. Remember why they call a gun the great equalizer? Doesn't matter who fires it, you're just as dead. All your assumptions are based on being ready for his attack. When it happens, you're not ready. No one is. It's all very nice to thump your chest and say what YOU would have done, but the reality is you don't really know. You were not there. I'm sure you would, had you the chance, make an attempt. Probably would have gotten yourself and others killed in the process. Would it have been worth it? Maybe. I wasn't there, you weren't there. It's all speculation.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:53:01 (EST) from adsl-156-180-32.gsp.bellsouth.net
Wow, this guy is at least 53! I would have thought 25, tops! Well, pretty soon, sex without love will not be an issue, trying even to do so will be the issue.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:42:29 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"I wouldn't rush to judgement on Vlad. We both were in the military and served honorably."
As did I (66-68). Having been in the military does not mean one is immune from criticism about all things killing related. Mind you, I have a rather bad view of the military mentality. It's a necessary evil, nothing more. I appreciate the efforts of those serving to keep us safe, but I do not delude myself into thinking it is all part of some noble effort. There is nothing noble about war. Yes, I know, if it were people like them, we would not NEED people like them. Of course, I'm not stupid about it. I know full well, were it not for our strong and determined military, everyone from the Ayatollah to Putin would be tripping all over each other to see who could get here first and wipe us all out. I harbor no delusions about the world situation. Like I said, a necessary evil.
Jug-handles would be ok, were they not so few and far between. Not all the roads have them either. I have been known to make the illegal left turn on occasion. I remember winding up nearly in Manhattan before I could get turned around on one occasion. Of course, it was also at night and at rush hour, so that didn't help. Ah, but NJ has, or at least, used to have, some great restaurants. The best ones used to be run by the mob. They were a front for their other operations and didn't care about making a profit. Great food at great prices. Hey, mobsters gotta eat too. And they like to do so in style. I guess they had to do something to make up for all the bodies and toxic waste they dumped there.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:31:26 (EST) from adsl-156-180-22.gsp.bellsouth.net
You may know about those things and you may not, feminoid.
But, I happen to know how to disarm a weenie that needs a big gun to scare some girls and be a "big man". If he really wanted to prove how tough he was, why doesn't he attack a Bar full of longshoremen, or a police station?
Truthfully, he attacked some unarmed college kids, specifically because he was a physical coward. He probably wouldn't have the balls to even pull the trigger when confronted by an adult man.
Considering that even the Canadian Camping Club washed him out, he would probably fold just fine.
Judging by your name, it sounds like you are the type that likes to pick-on girls. So you think you're a real lady-killer, huh?
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:29:23 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Aww, Bridget ... I guess this means we will never do the sheet dance together ... sigh. Ah well, one down ... 2 billion to go! Seriously, though, the "Black-White" analogy does not apply to me. That would require some sort of long term commitment to have to deal with. I can't tolerate the same woman for much more than 3 days at a time. She probably can't me either. See how nicely things work out?
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 14:05:29 (EST) from adsl-156-180-63.gsp.bellsouth.net
I wouldn't rush to judgement on Vlad. We both were in the military and served honorably.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 13:26:16 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Ah yes, New Jersey, the no left turn capital of the universe. Heaven help you if you miss your turn off. Are scabies still the state insect?
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 13:22:14 (EST) from adsl-78-167-102.gsp.bellsouth.net
It's always amusing when armchair generals talk about rushing an armed attacker. It's so easy to decide someone else's life. Maybe they should have rushed him, but who wants to die in the attempt? Who wants to be first to be shot? These were, basically still kids, never exposed to real violence. It's the same as all the saber rattling for sending in the troops right away in bad times. I have to wonder how many legislators would send them in if THEIR kids had the "honor" of being point man and leading the charge. It's always easier to send someone else's child out to die. Mind you, I am not making allusions to our current activities in Afghanistan. It's clear we have no choice in the matter if we are to protect ourselves. Just that I have problems with people making life and death decisions for situations to which they were not directly privy. I'm not a pacifist, neither am I eager to spend other people's lives. I know what it is to be on both sides of the gun and I know how much it haunts you.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 13:16:03 (EST) from adsl-78-167-102.gsp.bellsouth.net
Thing is, Shelat, there is no substitute for the real thing. The ole right hand works out from time to time, it's not a long term solution. THAT would be unhealthy. Never having normal sex is unhealthy. I don't use women any more than they use me. It's a mutual thing. We both get what we wanted at the time. There are many women that just want sex as well (thank God!). I have no problem with your views on sex and love. I do have a problem with pronouncements that purport to tell the rest of us what is right and wrong as far as sex goes. I consider myself a decent human being.
Femecide
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 12:54:50 (EST) from adsl-20-144-180.mem.bellsouth.net
That sounds like the Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk IV, which was a WWII service rifle. The MkIII bayonet mounted underneath the end of the barrel.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 12:32:46 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I sold it for money TO MOVE OUT OF NEW JERSEY to come here. Has anyone ever noticed you have to pay to leave NJ (toll bridges), but it is free to come in??
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:45:03 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I looked just like a long knife blade. I don't remember any polished wood, it may have been there. It slipped right over the end of the barrel, I think.
Catp. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:43:49 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Was the bayonet just a metal spike or was it like a well-made knife with polished wooden grips? If it was a spike, you had a MkIV. If it had the well-made knife bayonet, then you owned a MkIII.
Curious Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:40:03 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Yes, Vlad, that's what it was. The bayonette wasn't but about 10 inches long.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:31:51 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Quite a diverse set of conversations that we have going today. Huh, Sehlat?
That kind of thing should ONLY take place between a Mommy and a Daddy who love each other very very much.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:25:08 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
So you can separate sex from love/hate? That's actually not a healthy thing. It's actually a really bad sign. Sex no longer becomes the expression of mutual love it is supposed to be, but an act of sheer selfishness. Animals may have sex without love, but decent human beings can and should expect better from themselves and others. I don't condone anyone, male or female, using other people sexually.
Sehlat
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:21:55 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
What you owned was a Lee-Enfield .303
That is an EXCELLENT battle weapon!!!
I presently own a Mark III complete with sword bayonet. It was manufactured in Lithgow Arsenal, Australia and is stamped "1942". When I bought it as a teenager, I couldn't wait to get home fieldstrip it and clean it. When I took the barrel out of the stock, several ounces of North African sand fell-out. It is a real historic veteran of Monte's 8th Army and occupies an honored place in my gun cabinet.
Did yours use a sword bayonet (MkIII) or a spike bayonet (MkIV).
The MKIII was used in both WWI and WWII.
The MkIV replaced the earlier model at the beginning of WWII and was even used in the Korean war. But, many of the older MkIIIs saw much honorable service wiht her majesties forces in WWII.
The date of manufacture on your weapon is stamped on the stock near the buttplate and on the receiver under the bolt handle.
Vlad the Weapons Expert
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 11:14:41 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I used to have a rifle with a bayonette. It was a British 30-30, I think. It had adjustable sites. It was neat. I can't remember if it was WWI or II. Heck, I'm not even sure it was a 30-30 now. It's been years since I had it.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:46:49 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
What is really sad about the earlier post is that out of 48 male students, none of them chose to rush the idiot and disarm/disable/kill him.
I bet that bootcamp reject would have been easy to disarm. The punk would have probably gone down reeeeal easy.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:38:03 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oh yes, a .223 is very deadly.
In fact, the M-16 fires a 5.56mm, which is the same as a .223
He was probably using a Ruger Mini-14 from the information I gleaned from the post.
That even reinforces my accusation of him being a coward. He needs a semi-auto carbine with a banana clip to terrorize and kill 9 co-eds. (What-a-man!)
I gotta weakness for the classics...
my weapon of choice would be my M-1 garand (.30-06).
If he gets up real close, I've even got a WWII issue bayonet.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:34:07 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Yes, Vlad, I also believe that our founding fathers were genius. I don't understand why anyone would want to get rid of the Electoral College and still claim they are against big gov't.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:28:54 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Ok, Ok,...
I guess that I have to differentiate between the different kinds of Canadians.
The big-city social liberals in Toronto and Montreal dominate the population centers so therefore control the government. They are much different from the rural Canadians, who are loggers, ranchers, trappers, hunters, farmers, are somewhat conservative and are more like Americans. They live in the less populated provinces and have very little political clout.
When I compare our form of government (Representative Republic) to what Canada has (parliamentary), I am even more convinced of the genius of our founders. The electoral college is what keeps our rural (less populated) states from being dominated by a tyranny of numbers on the East and Left coasts. (Look at the map of algore blue states vs. Bush's red states)
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:25:42 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Some of those .223 auto's can be pretty hairy. Remember that M-16's are not of a much bigger diameter than .22.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:20:04 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Alright, thins is my last comment on the subject, because I will only start repeating my self and you Femecide are the only one who can decided to change.
Bridget
Cincinnati, OH USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:18:53 (EST) from port-cvx1-129.access.one.net
Remember what happened the last time we insulted Canadians? And remember Mike is a Canadian and probably is looking in your hard drive as we speak. Remember that Mike Myers is from Canada.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:17:49 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hey, O & Nick....
what would your weapon of choice be to repel a homocidal Canadian intruder that is armed with a .223 automatic rifle???
Would you use theUzi 9mm???
or the 12 guage Auto-loader???
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:16:41 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Good point, O.
I don't exactly quake in my boots at the thought of a wash-out from the Canadian military attacking my place.
If he would just have the courtesy to let me know about when he is coming, I could get very drunk so that it would be a fair fight (and send Mrs. Vald & Vlad, Jr. to stay with Grandparents).
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:12:24 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Sorry, Nick...I just couldn't resist.
I have to admit the Canadians do have a better military record than the French.(that is sort of like saying; "she is less promiscuous than Madonna.")
The Canadians are just fortunate to have us as their next door neighbors, they don't need a military because they know that we will come to the rescue in a crisis. That frees up all of their money to blow on candy-dandy social programs.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:08:53 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
And good point about the attacks. Maybe they should try to attack my house?
O
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 10:00:39 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Although tempting.
O
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:57:31 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Now, now, Vlad. Let's not open the Canada/US thing again. My post was to point out that gun control doesn't work, not a shot at Canada.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:57:09 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"failed military candidate...?"
You mean this guy couldn't hack it in the so-called "Armed Forces" of Canada??? He must have been a real p*&&y.
It is always apparent what physical cowards these warped individuals are. They always seem to attack people who are defensless, like schools, churches, day care centers, etc.
If they really want to show how tough they are, why don't they ever attack a Green Beret post, a Mafiosi conference, a crack house, or a police station? Some place where their targets are heavily-armed and can shoot back would be nice.
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:44:38 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Isn't murder, also illegal in Canada?
Vlad
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:37:26 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"On Wednesday, December 6, 1989 a young man, 25 years old, product of a violent home, failed military candidate and lover of war films, entered the University of Montréal's School of Engineering building. He was not a student, although he had once studied for admission to the school. He was carrying a .223 calibre semi-automatic rifle [1]. It was a little after 5:00 p.m. Walking into a classroom, he shouted I want the women (Kuitenbrouwer, Scott, Lamey & Heinrich, 1989). He separated the men from the women, ordered the men to leave the classroom, and lined the women up along one wall. You are all feminists! he yelled and began shooting to kill (Kuitenbrouwer et al., 1989). According to the professor, all nine women in his class were either killed or wounded (Shepherd, 1989). There were approximately 48 men in the classroom".
Capt. Obvious
USA - Friday, December 07, 2001 at 09:30:12 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
If Ike Turner headed The Chipmunks, their recording sessions would go like this: "Alvin! Getcho mother******* chipmunk a** over here right mother******* now and sing this mother******* song like I f****** wrote it! And don't mess with my cocaine, b****! Alvin? ALLLLLLVINNNN!" *SMACK!!!*
Fox
- Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 18:49:16 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
for a good time cal l783-8332
Wang Bang <Wanger_64@hotmail.com>
can - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 17:17:32 (EST) from 199.216.197.7
Yeah, I guess.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:23:15 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
No! NO! NOOO!
You've got it ALL WRONG!
Victoria was actually Victor who wasn't even a woman at all, but was a 50-something Canadian Hippie-guy with a hairy back. Carlo's, the IP-changing, paranoid miner-advocate has snuck back onto this messageboard as Femidroid, the dark fatalistic he-man woman-hater, who secretly dreams of serving as a Camp-follower in a Taliban pleasure-tent deep in the remote deserts of Afghanistan.
There, have you got it now?
Vlad (I am NOT Joe Lieberman)
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:21:42 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Vlad, aren't you the same person that said Carlos and VIC were the same person? Are you saying that Adam is actually Victoria which is actually Victor which is actually Carlos, which is actually Femecide?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:10:37 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Right, Vlad, I am the only person on the entire Internet with a dark, fatalistic attitude. Believe whatever you like. There is no way I can prove or disprove your assumption. It's moot.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 16:00:40 (EST) from adsl-156-182-31.gsp.bellsouth.net
I have no problem whatsoever with getting "malice" back. What I have a problem with is insipid, inane comments better left in a barroom. You can say whatever you like regarding my opinions, that's what it's all about. It's the constant barrage of meaningless slurs and innuendo that are uncalled for.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 15:56:01 (EST) from adsl-20-145-50.mem.bellsouth.net
Come-on, Carlos....tell us about the miners, again.
Vlad
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 15:55:40 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Feminoid and Carlos are the same person.
They have to be...I easily recognized the dark fatalistic attitude of paranoia and persecution.
They are one and the same.
Carlos is even capable of changing his IP address at will. Your secret is out feminoid, you couldn't fool us.
Vlad the Identifier
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 15:54:29 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Femicide - Why do you expect others to post respectfully to you, when you started off the entire 'debate'with malice and continue to spew nothing but malice towards women? Why do you expect what you refuse to give?
Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 14:00:44 (EST) from dialup-67.24.239.47.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Mr/Ms "Remember" we get the idea. They were all saints, cruelly cut down. Are you equally as diligent at marking the anniversary if the incident in which a woman walked into a Kindergarten and gunned down a group of children? Or, how about the Olympic massacre in which the men were separated from the women and murdered? Or the countless similar incidents in which only men were killed. Oh, yeah, it's only meaningful if it happens to women, how silly of me.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 13:23:50 (EST) from adsl-156-180-23.gsp.bellsouth.net
Feme, nobody can argue with your first two paragraphs. You are right.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 13:19:02 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Sehlat, do you realize people can and do have sex without love? I'm not asking if you understand it or agree with it. Many men and women just want sex without strings. Is that so hard to believe? Sex is sex. When animals have sex, is it an expression of love? No, it's totally hormone driven. Though we like to deny it, we are animals before we are anything else. We try to rise above it, and we do to an extent. To deny our animal self is delusion. To say sex is an expression of love may be true for many but it is not a universal truth, nor is it true all the time. It can be an expression of love some times, yet just pure animal passion at others ... to the same two individuals. Now, just as one can separate sex from love, so too, can one separate sex from hate. They are just two emotions which can be compartmentalized as needed. When I am having sex with a woman I don't hate her at that moment. I'm not thinking of either love or hate, just pleasure. I don't do a Jeckel and Hyde right after and become hateful toward her once I have gotten what I wanted. Regardless of my feelings about women, I don't go out of my way to hurt any of them. I don't sit around plotting some kind of revenge on anyone or group. I loathe spiders too, but I don't go out of my way to squash them. I take no delight in killing one when I must. I don't go around looking at woman and thinking "God! I hate you!" You sit there with your armchair psychoanalysis and think you have it all figured out. You have no idea.
Femecide
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 13:05:26 (EST) from adsl-20-145-49.mem.bellsouth.net
Genevieve Bergeron, 21
Helene Colgan, 23
Nathalie Croteau, 23
Barbara Daigneault, 22
Anne-Marie Edward, 21
Maud Haviernick, 29
Barbara Maria Klucznik
Maryse Laganiere, 25
Maryse Leclair, 23
Anne-Marie Lemay, 27
Sonia Pelletier, 28
Michele Richard, 21
Annie St-Arneault, 23
Annie Turcotte, 21
remember
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 12:56:10 (EST) from www2.surfola.com
Sehlat, very well put. Independent thinking is not grasped by many. That is one thing I like about these sites, opinions differ, but that is ok. And it should be. I am anti-abortion in any case but also believe in the death penalty. I can see, though, where people would see a contridiction. To me, they are two different issues, completely independent of each other. Just one example.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 12:43:40 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"(which is why I said these people were anti-abortion as opposed to pro-life)"
Hey Carolyn I'm anti-abortion I no longer call myself pro-life because the term has been hijacked I don't believe in blowing up clinics either because those types are just as bad as pro-aborts
Rad
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 12:34:43 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
That's not patience. I just turn loose on the guy early on and get it out of my system instead of stew and then really explode ;)
Sehlat
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 12:16:12 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
"He prefers to hold on to his hate, spew it somewhere where he knows it will be unwelcome, make some very contradictory remarks, and then use rightfully deserved negative responses to reinforce his false premises about women." Precisely...
Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 11:53:13 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.128.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
(OO)
.).(
( v )
.\!/
And this is probably the closest that Feminoid is ever going to get to one of these.
Internet Babe
Hollywood, CA USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 11:43:50 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
,-.___,-.
\/)--(\/
.(_O_)
...U..
Braakk! Feminoid, yechh, Grrrrr
Bite..bite
Bowwow T. Puppy
Daisyhill Puppy Farm, USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 11:15:43 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Puppies probably don't like HIM... :o]
Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:46:18 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.128.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Feminoid probably doesn't even like puppies.
Vlad the Puppy-Lover
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:41:12 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Oh, my bad! (giggle) Maybe YOU, femicide, can teach ME how to be 'civil'... (chuckle) Since you are such a fine example of 'civility'... (rofl)
Joy
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:37:03 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.128.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
On Wednesday, December 6, 1989 a young man, 25 years old, product of a violent home, failed military candidate and lover of war films, entered the University of Montréal's School of Engineering building. He was not a student, although he had once studied for admission to the school. He was carrying a .223 calibre semi-automatic rifle [1]. It was a little after 5:00 p.m.
Walking into a classroom, he shouted I want the women (Kuitenbrouwer, Scott, Lamey & Heinrich, 1989). He separated the men from the women, ordered the men to leave the classroom, and lined the women up along one wall. You are all feminists! he yelled and began shooting to kill (Kuitenbrouwer et al., 1989). According to the professor, all nine women in his class were either killed or wounded (Shepherd, 1989). There were approximately 48 men in the classroom
remember
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:36:16 (EST) from www2.surfola.com
Add me to the contradictory accusations list along with Aaron and Carolyn! :)
Sehlat
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 10:26:53 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
As he gunned down the horrified students, witnesses said Lepine yelled: "You're women, you're going to be engineers. You're all a bunch of feminists. I hate feminists."
remember
USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 09:37:11 (EST) from www2.surfola.com
Aaron, what college do you attend? At my school (U. of Pennsylvania) there was a pro-life/bort debate, but I missed it. It's so encouraging to meet younger people in the pro-life movement (boy, do I feel old saying that . . .)
Melissa
Philly, USA - Thursday, December 06, 2001 at 08:04:20 (EST) from 0-1pool156-186.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
Typical female non-answer. Besides being incapable of civil discourse. You always resort to the same old lame "LOL" and the like. A sure sign of an empty mind and a boorish manner. It is the equivalent of laughing in someone's face. Poor breeding will out.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:57:38 (EST) from adsl-20-147-126.gsp.bellsouth.net
Hillary & Rosie Fan: *Cough*-Wait-Um, are you for real?
Lori
NC USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:51:24 (EST) from gso57-101-063.triad.rr.com
Ooooh, this could get good...
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:42:18 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
roflmao! Ohhhhhhhhh, the irony! lol!
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:42:17 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
No, Joy, Aaron is a female doormat. You, on the other hand are clearly incapable of being civil. Apparently, THAT is beyond you.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:37:38 (EST) from adsl-20-146-200.gsp.bellsouth.net
FemeWHO?
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:35:51 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Carolyn, I'm sure there are even those who consider NOW not to be feminist enough. As you point out, some will call you feminist radicals and some will call you anti feminist. That's just a matter of degree. No, I'm sure you have no need to manipulate anyone who supports this board. They are drawn in on their own. It is clear your members consider themselves morally superior and "right" no matter what. Just like all the other feminist groups. Of course, it doesn't matter how repulsive or vapid they are, they STILL think of themselves as above it all. Mind, you, I am not saying you are either vapid or repulsive.
Thing is, I don't believe feminists of any kind are capable of truth. I've seen this sort of thing before. Some woman, or group pretending to be antifeminist, only to show their true colors when they had sucked in enough people. Having a big laugh in the process. For example, there was a woman who wrote "The Natural Inferiority of Women." It was a little book of sexist sayings about women throughout the ages. I found it interesting a woman would write such a thing, taking it all with a grain of salt. She said she was antifeminist too. I believed her. Years later, she put out another little book, the name escapes me at the moment, but it's gist was to make fun of the rabid feminists who called for the wholesale slaughter and castration of men. This it did, but the tone, now that it was men taking it on the chin, was much darker and more hateful than the first book. The first one was light hearted in general, but the second one extremely hateful, bloodthirsty, and murderous. Despite her claims of it being a parody, it was clear where her, and her co-author's feelings really lay. No one would write such a vile piece of garbage and try to pawn it off as humor were there not some truly, deep seated hatred there. Of course, the mass slaughter of men is often used as "humor" as well as fine family entertainment. But I digress.
As a general rule, I have found it best never to trust a woman, period. That's one of the main reasons I don't pay child support (Oh yeah, I took my "pill," don't worry). I would like to tape all my sexual encounters to keep from being the victim of some harpy's regrets the next day. Unfortunately, that's not really feasible, so some risks are taken.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:35:23 (EST) from adsl-20-146-200.gsp.bellsouth.net
Apparently not smart enough to realize I was speaking to femicide.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:33:39 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I'm smart enough to know that the correct Borg phrase contains the word "assimilated", not "absorbed".
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:30:21 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Aaron is opinionated and smart... you are opinionated and incredibly stupid. There's a difference. One that is beyond you.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:01:15 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I hear that Hillary Clinton is supposed to have the heart of a little girl...no really...(psst, she keeps it in a jar hidden under her bed).
Horowitz Fan
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 23:01:02 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
The puppy wants to play Blue's Clues.
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:52:38 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
The fact is I LOVE women...but I'm not too keen on cops.
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:51:30 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Again, Aaron, I NEVER said I do not make generalizations about women. Clearly I do. I never denied it. I said I don't make generalizations about women based on just a few of their gender. Apparently this is a tough concept for you to grasp, so I won't tax your brain on it farther.
The "use" of a therapist is to feed the gullible like you with psudo-science masquerading as fact. After all, if THEY say it, it MUST be so.
Yes, your "arguments" are weak so lies and distortion and leaving are your only options. Typical. Insult and run. You are just as opinionated, and YOU cannot see that.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:51:24 (EST) from adsl-20-147-126.gsp.bellsouth.net
You just don't know what to make of me, do you, one-time?
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:49:49 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
,-.__,-.
\/)"(\/
.(_O_)
..-U-
Woof Woof, Slurp
Puppy Man
Daisy Hill Puppy Farm, USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:48:25 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
If only the world could be run by vegan womyn instead of evil flesh eating men like George Bush Junior. Imagine Hillary or Rosie as President intead of "the selected one". The men haven't been able to make peace, so they should give us womyn a chance. Monica or Madonna could be a great Vice President because they are real smart and would clean up the environment. Next we need free daycare instead of free arsenic.
Hillary & Rosie Fan
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:43:33 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Ahhhhhhhh... look at the cute puppy!
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:33:43 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
You do hate women... you are a pervert and a pedophile. If those things bother you, then stop it. But denial will get you nowhere.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:26:33 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.117.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy, if you think that I hate women, you haven't been reading my posts! If you had, you'd know that I praise women. I am not a pedophile. And you shouldn't call me a pervert; I don't call you a pig.
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 22:11:38 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
On a side note, I once wrote an article in my college newspaper of abortion and the ill effects of it. It written from a very pro-life stance. For weekswas derided as a mysogynist Republican woman hater. If only these women could see me now, being derided as a feminist. Oh the irony!
Ah yes, I know the feeling! (and so does Sehlat I believe!) I have many people (ex: many feminists) believing that I am an anti-woman, weak person who wants to be ruled by men and make all women oppressed, and a whole group of other people saying I'm the poster child for the feminist movement, but worse, since I'm not honest about my true feminist ways. I have certain anti-abortion people calling me a closet pro-choicer since I don't believe in blowing up clinics (which is why I said these people were anti-abortion as opposed to pro-life) while some pro-choicers claim that I plot to bomb clinics in my spare time. I could go on but I am probably making a dent in the disk space ;)
Carolyn (I can be anything you want....really!)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 21:48:20 (EST) from port2.interstat.net
I am banning everyone in the world from the guestbook. In true female fashion, I am silencing all, as this discussion could let out the truth about women and their manipulative ways!
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 21:39:51 (EST) from port2.interstat.net
Femicide: These women, as the women who run similar web sites, are trying to suck you in by agreeing with fundamental truths men espose. Remember, these women still call themselves feminists
"We" call ourseleves feminists? How do you explain then that Rightgrrl co-founder, Stephanie Herman, points out that she does not consider herself a feminist? Many of the women who participate in Rightgrrl point out that they are not feminists. Wait, you saw my bio where I refer to myself as an pro-life equity feminist, and you assumed that I was super manipulative and just made all these women say they weren't feminists when in actuality, they really are feminists! You do know that a great number of people, male and female, believe that this site is anti-feminist and anti-female, right?
Carolyn (hiding feminists all over!)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 21:37:25 (EST) from port2.interstat.net
I'd love to stay on here but I learned long ago not to argue with a horse's ass. You can't make them see how they are wrong and it isn't worth your time to try. Adios all.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 21:16:10 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Of course it wasn’t difficult. I never said it was.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 21:11:55 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
On a side note, I once wrote an article in my college newspaper of abortion and the ill effects of it. It written from a very pro-life stance. For weekswas derided as a mysogynist Republican woman hater. If only these women could see me now, being derided as a feminist. Oh the irony!
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 21:02:14 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Well, thank you Aaron. Was that so difficult? Now, at least I can defend my position.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:50:21 (EST) from adsl-78-167-195.gsp.bellsouth.net
.,-.__,-.
.\/)"(\/
..(_O_)
Woof Woof!
I'm sorry I peed on your floor, Joy.
Woof Woof
Puppy-Man
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:43:51 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
He is the very thing he hates. He's like those Billary women who hate all men and see all men as being alike.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:34:45 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
"Again, point out where I am contridictory. Can't, can you?"
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:19:45 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Femecide – Please don’t talk to be about being original until you stop glomming off my remarks. And my remark was original. I thought it up myself. It didn’t take much thought, but it was original.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:18:05 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Aaron - you got it.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:16:24 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
roflmao! Each and every thing you say is contradictory. Take a moment and read your comments as if someone else wrote them.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:14:09 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
Joy - that shrink would be filling out his kid's application to Harvard while listening to this guy rant on and on.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:12:33 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Examples of how Femecide has contradicted himself:
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:11:30 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Right, Aaron, and your Springer remark was soooo original in the first place. Uh huh. Again, point out where I am contridictory. Can't, can you? You and Joy are good little feminists. You follow the book to the letter. Make false or misleading accusations or associations. Don't back up any of them with facts (lest you be proven wrong). Just say whatever you wish, hoping your words will be taken as truth. Back up each other to give yourselves further circular logic. It's especially easy when you attack someone unpopular. Liars often flock together for protection.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:09:04 (EST) from adsl-156-182-154.gsp.bellsouth.net
Aaron, have you noticed that absolutely everything femicide accuses everyone else of, it is glaringly obvious that he is guilty of it? He would make some shrink very wealthy. I could see the first session... The shrink's eyes would be glistening while writing $$ signs all over his notepad.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:05:47 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
I'm not sure why I am mixing up names. Yeah I meant Femecide. Again, I started out saying something to Fox and I coulda swore I erased it all but again, I guess not. I think I REALLY need a vacation.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 20:01:45 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Oh oh... cut to the quick! However shall I live?
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:58:54 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
LOL Aaron... You meant femicide right? I know, I know... they do seem a lot alike...
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:55:08 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
Springer boy?? LOL he's hates women and is unoriginal, what a sad combo. Fox, you have contradicted your self more times than I can even count. My Lord, and you think I'm beyond help??? Wow, what a nutjob.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:52:32 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Joy, I am not a pedophile and very much resent the association. You have No basis other than delusions, obviously stemming from your crude, dark, twisted soul. Assuming you actually have one at all.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:52:07 (EST) from adsl-78-167-213.gsp.bellsouth.net
Femicide - Several people (both males and females) have pointed out how you are contradictory and you refuse to see it. BTW - meet 'Fox', he hates women too. He's also a pedophile. You'll get along well with him.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:39:58 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
NOT that it matters, but I was combining the Borg phrase and the phrase from The Return of the Archons which is an old Trek.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:35:15 (EST) from 67.24.236.207
Aaron, talk is cheap (as is most of what you say, Springer boy). Precisely how am I contradictory?
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:32:29 (EST) from adsl-156-182-104.gsp.bellsouth.net
Joy, if you were making a reference to the Borg, the phrase is, "Resistance is futile. You will be ASSIMILATED" (not absorbed).
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:17:46 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
Femecide you are way beyond help. Besides the fact that you hate women yet you continue to post to it, which makes you a masochist, you continue to fill up this guestbook with the same contradictory posts time after time. You contradict yourself many times over and you make broad sweeping generalizations. On top of that you have serious problems with women in general, most likely due to your upbringing or serious trauma inflicted upon you by an ex girlfriend (I always wondered what became of those poor saps who go on Springer only to find out their girlfriend is cheating on them with the family pooch.) It is you who is way beyond help.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:13:43 (EST) from dialup-209.245.10.65.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net
Personally, I prefer "Vladimir Nabokov"...
Fox
- Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 19:12:19 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
"Hey how do you know that I'm not referring to Vladimir Horowitz, or Vladimir Putin??? Huh?"
Because of your liberal use of humerous variations of "Vlad The Impaler." Besides, the name Putin is too funny all by itself to bother messing with.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 18:52:58 (EST) from adsl-156-182-8.gsp.bellsouth.net
Bridget, thank you once again for your thoughtful reply, with it's lack of bile. I've met few men who were just disgusted by porn. I really don't know what to make of them. The female body is glorious (well some are anyway). It is a work of beauty to gaze at in it's own right. Beauty is the only reality. I mean outer beauty, not this amorphous "inner beauty" nonsense. Regardless of what I feel about women, I am drawn to this beauty. Know what I found most astounding about women when I had my first experience with one (aside from the fact they have a separate opening for peeing)? They actually were soft. I had always heard that, but it never hit home until I experienced it myself. Look, just as one can separate love from sex, so too can one separate hate from sex. I know it's difficult for you to disconnect the body from the individual, but I, and many others, can. Simply because we can look at a picture of an attractive, naked woman without disgust, does not make us bad. I think it makes us normal. I have to wonder about hubby. No offense, but he seems more like a woman in a man's body (the ideal of most heterosexual feminists). Heck, most of the women I know, or have ever known, enjoy porn as well. Yes, it does objectify women, or men, depending on your preference, but it is their bodies that are being objectified, not them. Their bodies ARE objects, after all. Just as any other physical manifestation is an object. Their "minds" are apart from that object. I know they are still human beings. Of course, it's just too bad a female mind has to come with every female body. Ah well. I just can't see getting upset, let alone ill, over pictures of it. Or of individuals engaged in sex in videos for that matter. Sex is sex. Nothing more, nothing less. It's fun. It feels good. Society tends to make more of it than it really is. Now, I agree, there are some fetish aspects of porn that can turn my stomach, but when talking about just sex, I see no harm. Is mutual "use" really use?
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 18:49:14 (EST) from adsl-156-180-246.gsp.bellsouth.net
Oh come-on. I haven't impaled any Turkish captives on stakes or beheaded any rebellious Boyars in at least 500 years. Geeeez, can't people get off my case about that.
Hey how do you know that I'm not referring to Vladimir Horowitz, or Vladimir Putin??? Huh?
Vlad the Reformed Impaler
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 18:26:57 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
OK, Sehlat, fair enough. Nonetheless, simply because you do not hate half the population in no way excuses the hate you DO spew. Help? Figures. Anyone who does not think as you must need "help." Besides, Therapists have onion soup for brains. Yeah, yeah, "men." Always comes to that. I have to laugh when some woman has the gall to define what a man should be (as if they have lived as one and can make that decision). As if YOUR definition is the correct one. I recall an article about a group of women who wanted to see what it is like being a man, so they took a class on how to act like men, so they could pose as one for a day. Who was teaching the class? A woman. What a joke! The whole thing was laughable anyway. As if a woman could really understand what it is to be a man by posing as one for a day. You have to live it ... grow up as one to understand. Here's my definition of a man. A man is true to himself above all. Unless he is true to himself first, he cannot be true to anyone else. Not his wife, not his children, not his country, not his God. Too many men are beaten down by convention trying to be true to everyone before being true to themselves. A man may love women, he may simply tolerate women, or he may hate women, that is entirely beside the point. His attitude towards women does not really affect his "manhood." There are few real men in America today because of the feminization of the country. They have obligations to everyone drummed into them, dismissing their obligation to themselves.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 18:13:06 (EST) from adsl-20-146-225.gsp.bellsouth.net
If your guestbook has femenoids, use "Preparation H".
Yes, Nine out of ten Doctors recommend "Preparation H" to cure itching and shrink the swelling of feminoidal tissues.
Dr. Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 17:13:57 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Imagine what would happen if I really turned loose on the poor sap :)
Sehlat
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 17:11:43 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Sehlat,
You should open-up and tell us what you really think.
Don't keep it bottled-up inside.
Vlad the Facilitator
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:37:20 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Gee, Sehlat, those comments will really change my opinion of women. Thank you for reinforcing my view of them.
Sehlat
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:27:45 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Enjoy the cam while it still exists. Well, the cam will still exist, but I won't have a network to plug into soon. :(
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:10:46 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
No, I missed it. Did you hold it for 30 seconds while the screen refreshed?
We will all wave back...
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:09:47 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
There, Vlad, you happy?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:06:50 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Did you see me wave?
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:06:13 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Come-on, Carolyn...a little wave to the camera would thrill your many adoring fans.
Vlad (You too, could be a winner)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:04:59 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
*sigh*
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:02:13 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
This is neat that we have Carolyn posting on here AND her picture on the Cam.
She normally doesn't stay this long.
Hey, wave to the camera, Carolyn!!!
Vlad (You too, could be a winner)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:01:34 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Or maybe Vlad and "O" could make a special trip. Wouldn't that be better?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 16:00:02 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Ed McMahon and Dick Clark can appear on their doorstep...
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:59:16 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Maybe the billionth poster would get a door prize!!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:58:17 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Carolyn,
You will let us know when we get to the billion mark, won't you?
Vlad the Silly Little Poster
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:57:19 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
***blushing AGAIN***
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:56:20 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
We'd have to post billions of posts to make any dent in the disk space :)
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:55:35 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
I wasn't serious, but I guess I need to go anyway...
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:55:06 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
What would be the difference in a "chat room" or a guestbook?
The Man from V.L.A.D.
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:51:07 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Mr. Feme just said Carolyn had a post. Would that mean that he now likes her?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:50:03 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Uh huh femicide... we believe ya.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:49:36 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Capt O... Duh... I was just adding another silly post.. lol :op
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:48:18 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
That wasn't my point, Joy. It just seems silly to fill up valuable disk space with this back and forth banter. BTW, I don't respond to schoolyard, double-dog-dares either. My response, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with being uncomfortable about addressing the points in Carolyn's post.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:47:36 (EST) from adsl-20-146-137.gsp.bellsouth.net
"But Capt O... if they were 'loose' they'd be called 'looses', not 'tights'..."
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:47:06 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Why do I feel a sudden urge (uh-huh) to post in this guestbook...I can't control it....it's just.....why?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:45:53 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
But Capt O... if they were 'loose' they'd be called 'looses', not 'tights'...
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:45:37 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
PLM!! Hi.
Me again
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:45:05 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
We had a chat room one time. No one used it. Everyone kept coming here due to the subliminal messages hidden all over various Internet sites, telling people they must come hang out in the guestbook.
Carolyn (you don't like chat rooms. you will continue to post in the guestbook... you don't like chat rooms...)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:44:22 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
...and another silly little post. My tights are too tight.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:43:54 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Hey femicide, YOU started it by being such a dork! Your's are the silliest on here. You don't get that either, do you? rofl
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:42:19 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Gargaro: It seems, in my manipulative little womanly opinion, that you post things to get a strong reaction
Prolifeman
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:40:05 (EST) from 0-1pool117-233.nas2.austin1.tx.us.da.qwest.net
Carolyn, may I suggest you put a chat room function on this thing to cut down on these silly little posts?
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:37:40 (EST) from adsl-20-147-63.gsp.bellsouth.net
Capt. "O" is in a strait here. I am supposed to fight the forces of eevil. But this guy says that women are eevil. Capt. "O" like woman.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:36:11 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Carolyn - I think it's a convenient excuse for femicide not to respond. After all, what can he say to the truth? It's the age old 'ignore' tactic.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:36:04 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Woo Hoo! Capt. Obvious is back in control!
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:33:05 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I said "Why am I even responding" because I doubt anything I say makes a difference since I'm one of the loathed ones.
I'm an only child too, btw. You have something in common with a loathed one! Muuuaaaahhh!!!
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:32:29 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Hillary Fan and Gray Davis Fan?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:31:07 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Well, Carolyn, I would respond to your post, but it seems from your last sentence ("Why am I even responding?"
), that's not really desired.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:30:19 (EST) from adsl-20-147-63.gsp.bellsouth.net
AAAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!!! I'm so confused!
Capt. Ambiguous
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:29:38 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Capt. O... Vlad is not femicide... he was two other people from last night... do try to keep up. lol
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:29:23 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh, wow!
Now I feel really bad about flaming Femicide on the other guestbook. Please don't take it personally...I'm sure that there are some very nice people who happen to be Taliban pleasure- slaves.
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:27:05 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Did Capt. "O" miss something? Is Vlad the Impeacher really Femecide? Is there really no Femecide. I don't get it. Will I loose my title?
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:26:35 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Thank you.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:24:27 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
This post for Joy only!!! Nobody else look:
pssst...you weren't supposed to notice...there has been a severe shortage of liberals on these sites and I was just trying to make things lively, especially since Victoria ran away to join Greenpeace....
So, I guess it must have been a sarcastic and clever ruse...brilliant!
Vlad the Exposed
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:23:01 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Of course you can be Capt. Obvious :) I already took another name (Queen Manipulator!) Friend's PC. (like it wasn't already obvious ;) )
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:20:07 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
My apologies, Vlad. My paranoia is getting out of control. I just assumed you were referring to me. I didn't even bother to check who's IP address that was. Yes, I was an only child. It's all about me, ME, ME!
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:19:57 (EST) from adsl-20-146-219.gsp.bellsouth.net
Well, Capt. "O" must go do some work. Hope justice will still prevail with Capt. "O" being gone.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:19:20 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
For Vlad only: Nobody else read. :o]
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:15:05 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh, sorry, My last post should have been addressed to JOY!
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:13:12 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Wasn't me, Nick...ugh, er...Captain "O".
Not either one of my IP's (aged Wards) or (hot.rr). Maybe they are legit, and merely the byproduct of the Californicate Pubic Skool sistem?
Vlad
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:12:10 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Carolyn, thanks for the clearification...may I be Capt. Obvious?
Capt. ???
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:12:03 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Very clever Vlad... I was fooled... shaw... totally...
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:09:26 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ok Capt. Obvious... picture Hillary... forcing her way on you... (SHUDDER!!!) NOW do ya get it? ;o]
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:08:16 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hey Feminoid,
I was pointing out the blatant gramatical and spelling errors by "Hillary Fan" and "Gray Davis is My Hero", (who suspiciously have the same IP. Hmmmmmmmmm, very interesting.)
Everyone (even myself) make occasional slip-ups or typos, but the posts that I was referring to are asinine and deserving of ridicule ("are" in place of "our") Come-on! They are so bad, it must be a sarcastic and very clever ruse.
Vlad the Evaluator
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:07:18 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Dear Capt. - if you don't mind, then it isn't really forced, so do not fret. Perhaps I should clarify: unwanted forced sex. Ya?
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:06:17 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Or how about this silk one on the beach... seaguls, salt air... crashing waves... sunny skies, cool breeze...
Joy & her Hammock
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:04:52 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"Dom didda ....",
Capt. Who?
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:04:21 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"Forcing sex on anyone (male or female!) is abuse". Capt. Obvious doesn't mind.
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:02:37 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I have hammocks for all occasions! And plenty to share! How 'bout this lil cotton number under the Redwood trees... blue sky... birds chirping... gentle breeze...
Joy & her Hammock <comfort@hammocksRus>
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:02:37 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hello, I am the real Capt. Obvious. Accept no imposters.
The Real Capt....Oh wait, my IP... ;)
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 15:00:23 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Mah Her-o!
Joybelle
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:59:05 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy, do you have extra hammocks?
Femicide: Why should I want you to give up?
If you loathe us, it seems to follow that you wouldn't want us around.
I just don't believe any of you are sincere
So we put up this site for....?? You honestly think we'd spend an great deal of time setting up and maintaining a site for almost five years when we don't really believe what we're saying?
Also, Sehlat calls you a jerk, and that's hateful in your opinion. Yet you state that all women are liars, manipulators, etc, and somehow that isn't nasty? Being hateful isn't limited to "name calling" (and I don't think being called a "jerk" in response to insults is hateful).
Femicide, you've judged all women harshly, stated that you loathe all women, and voiced some rather strong emotions to say the least. You're going to get strong emotions in return to such postings. It seems, in my manipulative little womanly opinion, that you post things to get a strong reaction so you can turn around and claim that you're being Mr. Reasonable, a victim once again of us nasty women.
Regarding spousal rape -- why do you condone any spouse forcing themselves on the other? I'm not talking about "Oh yes, honey, yes... oh wait I'm mad at you from our argument earlier today, get off me.. no wait, it's ok...mmm...oh wait I shouldn't have let you do that because I'm mad!"
Forcing sex on anyone (male or female!) is abuse, and it can and does happen in marriage. Why would you condone the abuse of one's spouse?
Why am I even responding?
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:57:59 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
I you were capable of reading what you write and then applying it to yourself, you would be consistant. And I said you take hypocrisy to a NEW level. I never said I am not ever hypocritical. I think everyone is to a point. But attempting to claim you've said nothing hateful and have the name 'femicide' is a walking contradiction. And your posts are FULL of hate. See the truth of it or don't. I don't care one way or the other. You're only making yourself miserable.
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:57:30 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Don't fret,
Don't fear,
The Caped Crusader
Is here!
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:55:12 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"Dom didda dom!!"
Capt. Obvious
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:53:29 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
No, Joy, hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. I believe I have been consistent, even in my designation. If I were named "LovesWomen" and said what I say, THAT would be hypocritical. Someone named "Joy" who delights in belittling others IS hypocritical. On the other hand, if that gives you joy, then maybe it's not. Take my screen name as a personal insult if you wish, that's your prerogative. Doesn't make it so. BTW, thanks for the < P > hint.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:52:53 (EST) from adsl-156-181-177.gsp.bellsouth.net
(read in a southern accent)
Joybelle
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:52:32 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh, wow. Femecide you must really have been hurt. I am sorry. Yes, some women are manipulative; they have been taught that their body is their only way to get somewhere. Or they are just plain evil. I will not say that all women are one way or another. BUT I do not in any way shape or form use my body as a way to get anything, I never have. I have never dressed provocatively, or with held sex (course the only person I’ve had sex with is my husband, so doesn’t really apply in any other relationships) to get my way, or even promised favors. If anything I always stated in any relationship right from the beginning what I would or would not do, and no man ever pushed my limits or got rid of me either. And trust me I did not do much. So the idea that men only want one thing is ridiculous. As is the idea that all women use their body to get what they want
Bridget
Cincinnati, Oh USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:49:17 (EST) from port-cvx1-332.access.one.net
"Wow! Nick, your mother, daughter and wife are females, what a revelation. Thank you Capt. Obvious!".
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:48:42 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"I've yet to call anyone here by any sort of hateful name."
Joy
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:38:54 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I see, you're THAT Carolyn. I just wondered. Why should I want you to give up? On what would you give up? I have no problem with the existence of this site or the things you put forth. I agree with many of them. I am pro-life. I am also against the death penalty (yeah, for women too, not that there is much chance of it for them as it is for men). I just don't believe any of you are sincere.
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 14:33:01 (EST) from adsl-156-181-84.gsp.bellsouth.net
Looks more like someone from 24.162.100.65 needs to go back to elementary school and learn to spell and write properly.
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 13:03:40 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Looks like someone from 24.162.100.65 needs a hobby.
Sehlat
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 11:04:41 (EST) from libbkr150.library.Vanderbilt.Edu
Woops...but let me add that she may respond if she wants. I just find Femecide less than amusing. My mom is a woman, as is my wife and daughter.
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 09:59:16 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
I don't feel that the founder of this web site needs to take the time to respond to this guy.
Nick
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 09:57:35 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Umm, Femecide? If the founders didn't read the comments, then how did I respond to you yesterday? I am behind on the site (again) because of many things - basically a job crisis. I unforunately, don't have the time I would like to put into the site at the moment. That doesn't mean we've "given up" (though you might like that). It's nice to see someone who loathes us so much so interested in what we do ;)
Carolyn
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 08:33:31 (EST) from carolyn.interstat.net
Wow, I thought that Carolyn's personal guestbook was overflowing with quality posts.......
Matt
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 03:19:29 (EST) from 199.38.133.55
Well, if more people had voted for Clinton Gore in the last election, you could have free mental healthcare.
Gore wants to give us free daycare and healthcare. Bush this wants to feed us arsenic.
Hillary Fan
St Paul, MN Amerika the Oppressed - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 01:26:21 (EST) from 24.162.100.65
*looks over his shoulder*
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 01:13:15 (EST) from 63.211.242.211
Feminide, you are sooooo right.
The finders of this site are just globalist corporate shills that rip us off. There all owned by Rubert Murdock and the CIA. They watch what we right and report it to there bosses
Hillary Fan
St Paul, MN Amerika - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 01:02:01 (EST) from 24.162.100.65
I have a feeling they realize some people are beyond help.
Aaron
CO USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 00:58:01 (EST) from 63.211.242.211
I tend to wonder if the founders of this web site actually read these comments anymore, or have simply given up long ago and left it to meander on it's own?
Femecide
USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 00:50:43 (EST) from adsl-78-166-112.gsp.bellsouth.net
Gray, you are so right.
The evil shrub planned all this so that he can take all are rights away. I wish we could be more like china so that we could eat our own babies. President Smirk just wants to take away all are welfare and give it to the richest one percint of all Amerikans. I pray to Hillary that she stops him.
Hillary Fan
St Paul, MN Amerika - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 00:48:00 (EST) from 24.162.100.65
Yea, like Bush is so evil dude. He had the Cia do it while he was fooled everyone by reading Curious George books to first graders while it was coming down. Just read Doonesbury, he tells you all about it.
I love Ben Loden. The Taliban was right for what they did. Amerika has done all kinds of bad stuff you know dude.
Gray Davis is My Hero
Rio Linda, CA USA - Wednesday, December 05, 2001 at 00:35:51 (EST) from 24.162.100.65
I gotta agree with Queen here. Send all of your evidence to Tom Daschle, Henry Waxman and Pat Leahy. They'll be grateful to receive it.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 23:22:52 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Did Bush order the military tribunals because he doesn't want his role in the September 11 crashes exposed?
Well if guestbook posters already "know" his "role" then it couldn't be much of a secret now, could it? How come you haven't been all over the news with your valuable information?
Quenn Manipulator
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 23:16:17 (EST) from proxy3-external.adubn1.nj.home.com
Seeing as how he had no role I'd have to say : No.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 23:16:00 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Did Bush order the military tribunals because he doesn't want his role in the September 11 crashes exposed?
Gretchen Bartlett <Grebar@excite.com>
Albany, CA USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 23:13:55 (EST) from 24hrlab-222.sfsu.edu
I would voice my opinion in great detail but I am too busy sexually manipulating many weak men right now.
Queen Manipulator and author of "Men are Weak, and You can Play 'Em All!"
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 22:48:15 (EST) from 24.4.252.90
Joy - you can manipulate me anytime!
Weak Dope <weakdope@chumpsrus.com>
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 22:40:13 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Hee hee... Well, I guess femicide was right... ALL women are evil manipulators and ALL men are just weak dopes.
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 22:32:57 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
I resent the implication.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 22:16:04 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Uh huh... I believe ya...
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 22:06:18 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hey! How can you tell........errr......I mean....I'm not grinning.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 22:03:02 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
He has been absorbed... mission accomplished... NEXT!
24,849 of 1,234,948,443
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:57:08 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Hey I like this being weak thing. I can do anything I want and then deny all responsibility because, after all, I'm just a man.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:52:49 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
That's right Aaron... no need to fight us... (Joyzebub reaches cape over victim... er man... eyes glinting wildly, fangs slowly puncturing neck...)
Joyzebub
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:47:39 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh well. I'm just a weak man. Why fight it? Show me the way!
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:44:32 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
The hammock Aaron... you cannot resist the hammock... resistance is futile...
Joyzebub
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:37:44 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Come to the dark side Aaron... you cannot escape... WOOOOOOooooooEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOoooooooo...
Shelob <blackwidow@eat-them-all.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:36:25 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oh NO!!!
Woman too cute........must resist urge to cuddle in hammock....help!!
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:31:52 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Mwahahahaha...
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:29:05 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Uh Oh! She's figured me out. Damn woman! They're all evil!
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:24:43 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Oh Aaron! You're just trying to 'get some' tonight!
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:17:46 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
place this: < p > without the spaces before each paragraph.
Joy
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:11:17 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.78.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
WOW. Looks like someone was really screwed up by a woman once. Take my advice and turn off Jerry Springer once in a while. You might learn something.
Aaron
CO USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 21:06:38 (EST) from user-119a752.biz.mindspring.com
Milena, I figured someone would bring up the Taliban and their brutal treatment of women at some point in this discussion. Have I advocated the mistreatment of women? Have I made any reference to "putting women in their place?" No. Putting words into my mouth does not a truth make. The members of the Taliban, no doubt share some of my views on women, they do not, however share my views on how women, or any human, should be treated. Heck, even the early Catholic church believed women did not possess a soul. Can't blame it all on the Muslims, or me.
Carolyn, when it comes to sex, men ARE weak. Nature designed it that way. That locomotive sex drive is needed for procreation. I never said men were, in general, weak. I was very specific. No, not all husbands always agree with their wives all the time. Some never agree, and are just plain brutal SOBs. Most do, however, agree a lot more than they would were they not married. It's a catch-22, since you cannot get any of them to admit that fact as to do so would place them into the position they are trying to avoid in the first place. Oh, and I don't hate women. I loathe them. Get it right.
Also, I don't generalize all women based on the actions of a few, that would be stupid. Eventually, however certain patterns of behavior emerge which cannot be ignored. Decades of experience have shown me what's what where women are concerned. I believe I have been with a large enough cross section of them to form a statistically sound opinion.
Some women are clever, all women are manipulative. Men only want you for a short period of time. That's why the manipulation does not work over the long haul. Once they have had you, it's on to the next. Unless, of course, you can pull off the ultimate manipulation and get one to marry you. I do NOT understand what a man has to gain by marriage. He puts everything he has at risk and the courts go along with it all, still seeing the woman as some sort of victim in a divorce. Heck, today he can even be accused of rape if he gets carried away and has sex with her when she is not in the mood. No, as I see it, a man has everything to lose and nothing to gain. For the woman it is just the opposite. Yes, I know, a few woman have also been screwed by the courts in a divorce, but they are few and far between compared to the legions of men so maligned.
Finally, I am not now, nor have I ever been, "Davidthepoet."
PS I keep breaking this stuff into paragraphs, but it keeps coming out in one lump. Anyone know why?
Femecide <Femecide@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 20:20:28 (EST) from host-216-78-25-156.gsp.bellsouth.net
Adam, it's too late now, but you
should have gone to Afghanistan and
joined the Taliban while they were
still in power because you'd get
along great. They share your views
on women. Perhaps you would also
be happy with the Northern Allliance.
Milena
Oaktown, CA USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 19:19:38 (EST) from 24hrlab-203.sfsu.edu
Wait Femicide... are you aware that you painted all men as weak individuals? So you hate all women, and think all men are wimps who just say yes to their wives all the time?
Carolyn (one of those!)
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 18:52:34 (EST) from port2.interstat.net
It appears someone has had his ego hurt and now generalizes all women because of it. Hmm... if we generalize a whole sex based on the actions of a few, then I guess women should assume all men are liars who abuse women and want young trophy wives.
(note: I don't think all men, or even most men, are like what I described above. However, since "Femicide" likes to generalize so much, I wanted him to feel at home.)
"Femicide", would I be incorrect in concluding that you are also "Davidthepoet"? (not that I expect an honest answer anyway -- after all, all men must be liars since we now generalize a whole sex by the actions of a few ;) )
And if all women are just soooooo clever and can manipulate men soooooo well, then why am I working all the time?! Huh?!?! I should have manipulated enough men by now to have oodles of them taking care of me and pampering me!! Hrmph!
if anyone emails me asking to be my sugar daddy ;), i am sending him to sarcasm 101 class.
Carolyn (one of those
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 18:49:43 (EST) from port2.interstat.net
Bridget, I assume you're comments were directed towards me in particular. Let me begin by thanking you for a considered, thought out response. This, as opposed to the knee-jerk reaction of a certain individual.
No, it doesn't make him a crazy feminist. It does make him a typical husband. Never ask a husband for any opinion concerning his wife. They are a captive audience and unlikely to be entirely truthful. Most agree in blanket form simply to keep peace. Any disagreement will bring about endless response (read: nagging) from his wife. It's like asking a prisoner how his theraphy/rehabilitation is coming along. He will give you what you want to hear. Or asking a barber if you need a haircut. Or a therapist if you need more sessions.
One does not have to belong to any organization to espouse the worth of the individual, feminist or otherwise. We all objectify others to some extent. We size up strangers by some standard. We don't just accept anyone. We lust after each other's "parts" all the time. It's not a bad thing. It's life. If you think your hubby doesn't want to see other women naked, as in porn, you are deluding yourself big time. Face it. Were it not for sex, men would probably never have much to do with women in the first place. Other than sex, what can we get from women we can't from other men? Be careful how you answer or you may be accusing men of being incapable of comparison or warmth.
Evil? Cute and innocent when they're little, females change when they learn they can get what they want by using the lure of sex. Don't deny it. Women do it all the time, especially when young. It's power and they abuse it. Sometimes I think, while God created men in His image, Satan created women in her image in retaliation. I'm not ignorant, I'm experienced. I know women for what they really are. Most men are either blind to it, or go along to get into some female's panties. Most men are idiots when it comes to sex.
Feminists are feminists are feminists, period. There may be a difference in degree as to their mantras, but it is a difference without a distinction.
Femecide <Femicide>
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 18:28:49 (EST) from adsl-20-144-61.mem.bellsouth.net
Let me clearify, there is no alternative to women. Who in the world can look at a big ol' hair butt find it attractive (or hairy legs and pits)? But, like I said, end of conversation.
Nick
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 11:33:46 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
"Well, Actually, Nick, men aren't the only alternative". What? I don't even want to continue this conversation.
Nick
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 11:31:32 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
Dec 03, 2001 (WENN via COMTEX) -- American psychologists have paid women to watch pornography films so they can measure how aroused they get. Professor Michael Bailey and Meredith Chivers measured straight women's reactions to straight and lesbian porn. Northwestern University students watched porn clips with a probe inserted in their vaginas which recorded their sexual arousal. The 29 female students were paid GBP53 ($75) each. So far the findings reveal women are aroused by both straight and lesbian sex. Last year (00) the researchers carried out a similar study on Chicago-area men. They found straight men generally weren't aroused by gay sex and gay men generally weren't aroused by straight sex. "It appears that women, regardless of sexual orientation, respond to everything," Prof Bailey says. (CPT/WNWCAN/BRC)
I wonder if the probe vibrated? I would think that may be a factor..
Laura'sBush
USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 09:57:30 (EST) from 168.143.112.8
And why do you presume that I am a Feminist? Because I demand the respect that every human person deserves? Why is it so evil to want to be seen as a person and not just body parts? I am not an object and I demand that I and every female be treated with dignity and respect. Actually I am very careful not to be associate with the main stay feminist groups, they are part of the problem, as are many women. I do not, nor have I ever screamed about it being the evil mans fault. It is the fault of men and women alike, one no guiltier than the other. I am guessing that the reason you are so quick to label me and disregard my thoughts is that it would disrupt your perfect world where you can objectify women and not feel guilty about it. Do you like how I just assumed and labeled you? Porn of every kind, both for men and women, degrades humans to mere body parts to be used for ones own pleasure. Our society tries to reduce us (both men and women) to mere objects so intent on our body parts that we will buy what ever they tell us we need.
Bridget
Cincinnati, OH USA - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 09:11:12 (EST) from port-cvx1-8.access.one.net
plunk!...snap!...pop!...boink!
The Nairobi Trio
Mombasa, Kenya - Tuesday, December 04, 2001 at 01:00:42 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Well, Actually, Nick, men aren't the only alternative, but that's another topic. I thought you might be referring to feminists more rabid than those in here. In some ways I respect those morons more as they are, at least, up-front with their trumpted-up hatred. To set things straight, (every pun intended) I am quite heterosexual. Being an dedicated mysoginist doesn't keep me from having sex with women. ... And, "Percy," always good to see another Ernie Kovacks fan.
Femecide <Femecide@aol.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 18:47:48 (EST) from adsl-78-166-98.gsp.bellsouth.net
Oooooh, don't knock-it till you've tried it, Nicky-pooh.
Percy Dovetonsalls <Percydoo@oraljoy.com>
Than Franthisco, CA USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 18:00:30 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
Men.
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 16:42:02 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
To which "alternative" are you referring, Nick?
Femecide <Femecide@aol.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 15:52:52 (EST) from adsl-78-166-242.gsp.bellsouth.net
As my Ole Grandpappy used to say: **********************************
"Never have women for friends...Your dog can be your friend and whiskey can be your friend. But, when you got women for friends, you'll just wind-up drunk and kissin' your dog."
Vlad the Philosopher
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 11:07:37 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
"Don't believe a word these individuals say. These women, as the women who run similar web sites, are trying to suck you in by agreeing with fundamental truths men espose. Remember, these women still call themselves feminists. Feminists of ANY ilk are incapable of being truthful and will stop at nothing to squirm their way into your good graces. Never believe or trust women. Wake up while you can, or one day you will be unable to wake up at all".
Nick
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 10:44:45 (EST) from inetgate5.bp.com
So what's up with that Gary Conduit feller??? Ha hahahaaaa...Hasn't anyone thought about looking under my desk for that chick?
Billy-Job Clintoon, the erotic Sink-Emperor <WildBill@JuggernautofLuv.com>
USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 10:14:46 (EST) from hqfirepu2-ext.agedwards.com
I grew up with the Beatles and they were a big part of my childhood, adolescense and young adulthood. I just now learnt some of the most sensitive songs from the Beatles I heard in my teen years were from George Harrison.
So many of my best-loved singers have died. I guess we can say that his spirit and music live on.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Monday, December 03, 2001 at 00:07:07 (EST) from dialup-64.156.226.169.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Behold, I bring you tidings of great joy. For unto you is born this day in the city of Kentwood, a babe, which is Britney Lynne Spears.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BRITNEY!
- Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 20:51:45 (EST) from 63.87.244.28
I'm surprised that no one has posted anything about the demise of George Hrrison. I was never a huge Bills fan, but I think he was extremely talented. People are still listening to songs of his like "While My Guitar Gently Weeps". I doubt if anybody will be listening to "Oops, I Did It Again" thirty years from now. Rest in peace, George, maybe you're in a better place . . .
Melissa
Philly, USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 20:40:04 (EST) from 0-1pool156-59.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
LOL! No, femecide... YOU need to read your post again. Debate? Are you kidding? LOL... you are funny. I'll give you that. :o]
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 16:58:52 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.212.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Joy, read my post again. I insulted no one. I attacked no one specifically. I merely stated an opinion. I kept my comments in general terms. That's called a debate. What I received were insults, not rebuttals. There is a large difference. As to my email designation, "Femecide" is also the name of an all girl band. It's not original to me, as I thought it was when I made it up. Try a "Google" search on it, you'll be suprised (I know I was).
Femecide <Femecide@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 16:30:12 (EST) from adsl-20-144-86.mem.bellsouth.net
"I see the only response in here is insults. Figures. Typical feminist tactic." ROFLMAO! And what pray tell was your "message" if it wasn't an all out assault on pretty much any female roaming the planet??? You have an email that says 'femecide'! What response were you looking for with your blanket insult? LOL!
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 16:16:41 (EST) from dialup-67.25.57.233.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
For the record, Adam is my real first name, not just a "user name." There IS more than one Adam in the world. In the intrests of easy recognition, however, I shall use "Femecide" as my user name in future missives, should there be any.
In any event, I see the only response in here is insults. Figures. Typical feminist tactic. Ignore the message and attack the messenger. Yeah, you feminists are really "different." Uh huh.
Adam <Femecide@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 16:10:11 (EST) from adsl-20-145-81.mem.bellsouth.net
Much better Vlad... rofl
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 11:01:51 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.98.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Ohhhhhhhh Vlad! (klonk - sound of my head hitting the desk) You had to say it didn't you! LOL
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 11:00:26 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.98.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Oooops, sorry. I didn't mean that to sound so crass. In fact, that type of thing should only take place between a Mommy and a Daddy who love each other very much. There, that's better.
Vlad the Contrite
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 10:59:39 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
From "fake" Adam's post: "...these women are just trying to suck you in..."***********Really??? Where were these girls when I was single????
Vlad
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 10:52:48 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Nope, that's not "our Adam". (He really likes girls). Hey twit, find a new userId to use.
Vlad the Impeacher
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 10:50:38 (EST) from cs24162100-65.hot.rr.com
Wow... for only a moment I thought the post below was from OUR Adam.
Joy
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 10:21:08 (EST) from dialup-64.158.213.98.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
"I don't think hairy pits are attractive on men or women!" Amen Melissa, amen! But I must admit, I'd think it was weird if men shaved. lol
Joy <nohair@underarms&legs.com>
USA - Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 00:34:48 (EST) from dialup-67.25.56.85.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net
Don't believe a word these individuals say. These women, as the women who run similar web sites, are trying to suck you in by agreeing with fundamental truths men espose. Remember, these women still call themselves feminists. Feminists of ANY ilk are incapable of being truthful and will stop at nothing to squirm their way into your good graces. Never believe or trust women. Wake up while you can, or one day you will be unable to wake up at all.
Adam <Femecide@aol.com>
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 21:58:12 (EST) from adsl-20-145-65.mem.bellsouth.net
What I need now are your prayers. Please pray for me,
Bonnie you didn't even need to ask
Get Well Sooon
RAD
USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 21:54:31 (EST) from 209-145-163-10.dsl.accessus.net
Good post by Maureen about unrealistic images of women's bodies. Personally, I don't wear heels over 1-1/2 inches -- high heels, especially with pointed toes, are just not good for your feet. Asks any podiatrist! But I do like to wear lipstick and mascara sometimes. As for shaving -- well that's a personal matter, but I don't think hairy pits are attractive on men or women!
Melissa
Philly, USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 21:13:14 (EST) from 0-1pool157-197.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net
To Monica, Nick, Prolifeman, Queen Vic and everyone:
Bonnie <LOTEKCHOW@aol.com>
Brooklyn, NY USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 13:57:22 (EST) from spider-mtc-tl022.proxy.aol.com
Dear Bonnie, I'm sorry you're going through this ordeal. Sounds awful. I wonder what was in that lotion you tried, perhaps some toxic chemical? You should have it analyzed and consider a lawsuit.
Have you tried an antiglare screen for your computer? Perhaps a laptop LCD wouldn't be as bright or hard on your face.
Monica Luz <moniqueluz@juno.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 02:18:56 (EST) from dialup-166.90.45.190.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
Hello, Fox! That was truly a gross comment.
Bonnie <LOTEKCHOW@aol.com>
Brooklyn, NY USA - Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 00:36:54 (EST) from cache-mtc-am05.proxy.aol.com
There are 2 places on a woman's body where I think a lot of hair is attractive. One of them is on her head...
Fox
- Saturday, December 01, 2001 at 00:12:55 (EST) from 63.87.244.28